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Dec. 9, 2008
BigLou
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: A different DOB structure

I started a post a couple of weeks ago suggesting a screen to protect the pitcher at his option. However if the ball hit the screen it was a dead ball SINGLE. I actually started this tongue in cheek. I wanted to see how many pitchers really wanted protection. If you really want it you need to give something up- the ability to record an out.

The batter is not going to be penalized because a pitcher canít field his position. In fact the batter will be rewarded because a pitcher canít field his position. As is the case in real softball.

Of course there was all kinds of argument about how a screen would ruin the game, defensive problems with throws from the outfield etc. Some of these objections were from guys that are in favor of the DBO rule.

It would be interesting to see how that rule (optional screen DB SINGLE) would play out and how many pitchers would actually use a screen to the detriment of their team. My hunch is that those who wanted to use a screen would soon find themselves out of a job, or asked to move to a position or level that they could play at.

Get rid of the Dead Ball Out rule. Quit whining and armor up!
Nov. 25, 2008
BigLou
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Winter Worlds

If you are scared put a screen up and stay behind it. It will protect you. The rule will not protect you. The other team/batter will not be penalized. Dead ball single everyone advances one base. Your team will have to deal with the cumbersome effects of throws around the screen etc. Not the other team.

It would be interesting to see how many of these guys howling for protection (by way of rule) would use the screen under these conditions. Or how many would last as pitchers on their team if they put their own team at a disadvantage from their lack of ability.
Nov. 25, 2008
BigLou
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: New Pitcher Rule

Sorry,
Last sentence should be -dead ball single.
Nov. 25, 2008
BigLou
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: New Pitcher Rule

Stick8,
You donít need to protect ALL pitchers. Some pitchers donít need protection (at least nothing more than a glove) and would object vehemently to a screen. They want to get the batter out. They want to turn two.

For others their game may have left them or they havenít been able to adapt by backing up, or being able to pitch with whatever protective gear is available today. For them and their team- the screen- and all the defensive problems it brings. You donít penalize the other team/batter.

The screen just like other equipment would be voluntary. And if you hit the screen no penalty to the batter. Dead ball out single.
Nov. 23, 2008
BigLou
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: New Pitcher Rule

He Fred ,

Iíve seen many pitchers (in the 50ís and 55ís) pitch and back up. Do you think this is something you could learn to do? I donít mean this disparagingly at all. Maybe as we get older itís harder to do. If not would you be OK with a screen to protect you with no penalty to the batter?

DC Pete makes a good point about the rule doing nothing to actually protect the pitcher from injury. Maybe a higher arc to allow the pitchers in the older (60 and above) divisions to get back would be a good idea.

But again the most vulnerable players out there are the base runners who have no special equipment(like gloves) or rules to protect themselves.

To me the pitcherís rule is a joke. Again youíre penalizing hitters because someone canít field at the level they wish to play at.
Nov. 22, 2008
BigLou
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: New Pitcher Rule

Gary,
What about the other infielders? Would they all be required to play on the dirt too? Could the shortstop be in shallow left 20feet on the grass? 10 feet on the grass?

Why all the fuss about protecting the pitcher? He can start pitching from 56 feet back. And after he lets the pitch go he can back up easily anywhere from 6 to 9 feet with 2 or 3 steps. This puts him at over 60 to 65 feet with a glove.

I would much rather be 60 to 65 feet away with a glove than to be a runner on 1st or 3rd with no glove.

Get rid of the existing rule. Allow a screen at the pitchers discretion if they really feel unsafe and their penalty for using it would be a dead ball SINGLE and the ensuing defensive problems with it on the field. My guess is you would rarely see it used, perhaps in only severe sun situations. Which would be good.

In this case the pitcher would really be protected. The existing rule does nothing to protect the pitcher
Nov. 21, 2008
BigLou
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: New Pitcher Rule

The screen would be optional. One side may use it and the other doesnít necessarily have to. Therefore if you choose to use it you must deal with the problem of throws from the outfield or across the infield. Itís your problem. You choose to have it. The other team is not going to be penalized because you choose to have a screen. Itís a dead ball single and everyone advances one base. Why does everyone want to penalize the batter when the pitcher canít field it?

The current rule is ridiculous. It penalizes the batter for hitting a fair ball hard and does nothing to protect the pitcher. The screen would be a detriment to the defensive team, which makes more sense since it is their player who cannot catch the ball and needs to be protected. They would be the one potentially penalized for their lack of defense.
Nov. 20, 2008
BigLou
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: New Pitcher Rule

Iíve read on here repeatedly about protecting the pitcher and what to do about it
A pitcherís rule/dead ball out/protective screen and so forth. I propose that you let the pitcher/defensive team have a choice.

If the pitcher wants a screen because say the sun is in his eyes or maybe he just canít field the middle very well- then he gets a screen. If the ball hits the screen itís a ÖÖ.DEAD BALL SINGLE. Why should the offensive team/batter be penalized? The defensive team can deal with the problem of the screen being in the way with their throws etc. , after all, itís their choice. And the pitcher is protected.
Big Lou
Nov. 1, 2008
BigLou
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Up the Middle

Einstein
Why do you always insist on banning Gary. He allows you to make your arguments. He doesn't seem any less civil than others I've seen on here. He just disagrees with you for the most part. You should welcome that challenge to make your points.
Nov. 1, 2008
BigLou
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Up the Middle

Hey Dirty,
Did you ever think that maybe mad dog was engaging in hyperbole (exageration to make a point) when he said "5 feet of the plate"? Come on, I've seen you argue enough in here to know you're better than that. to belabor that small point. I'm sure you get what he was trying to say.
Sept. 14, 2008
BigLou
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Out at the plate

LECAK
Donít get me wrong here. I think you should be able to pick up Einstein for any of the reasons you mentioned. I just think if thatís the case Evolution should be able to pick up an equal or less equal player. I also think it would be a good idea to let all major and major plus teams pick up a limited number of players (say 2) prior to the last tournament of the season- the big SSUSA final in October.

There are always a number of justifiable reasons for this, I think the biggest being that your team folds and isnít going to the SSUSA final and you want to play ball. I remember in competitive softball teams were frozen but they could have a couple of ďaddsĒ up to a certain date before the World Series. Would like to see a similar rule in Senior ball. Would increase participation (teams might not go because they have injuries, now they can fill in etc.)
Sept. 13, 2008
BigLou
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Out at the plate

I donít get it. The MOB who finished higher than Evolution in Vegas is allowed to add a guy who played Major plus this year while Evolution is not allowed to add a guy that played major plus in early 2007. I have seen both players involved (Einstein for the MOB and Matt Fahring/Evolution) and both are good players but one was a role player 18 months ago and one was a starter on a major plus team 8 weeks ago. Evolution is getting hosed here.
July 1, 2008
BigLou
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Movie Trivia 13

Iíll surrender the board to Dbax since I donít really know trivia. I just love that movie.
Big Lou
July 1, 2008
BigLou
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Movie Trivia 13

The llama is Tina.

Big Lou
June 22, 2008
BigLou
Topic: Bats
Discussion: 2010 Grandfathered bats

Trumpball
Thanks for clearing that up.
Big Lou
June 22, 2008
BigLou
Topic: Bats
Discussion: 2010 Grandfathered bats

Trumpball
To get back on topic of the original post. How can we trust ASA to honor their existing bats with a grandfather clause ďuntil it breaksĒ as you say. Those of us that have been burned before with purchases of the original freaks might be hesitant to rush to purchase the remaining 98 mph bats that are available today. Are you gauranteeing that ASA will grandfather them in until they break? If so I might be willing to purchse a couple.
Big Lou
June 21, 2008
BigLou
Topic: Bats
Discussion: 2010 Grandfathered bats

Trumpball and Softballer
Thanks for your reply. I'm sure most players are not worried about Senior Ball in regards to the grandfathered in bats since most will use a senior bat.I believe Dinger and others are worried about purchasing these ASA bats that are suppose to be "grandfathered" in. I know I am.

I too was burned by ASA the last time around. I rushed to purchase a couple of original freaks that I found online. I have one sitting in my garage that I can not use. So Trumpball forgive me when I say I will NOT "Rest assured that a bat I buy today I will be able to use it until it breaks". Unless you know something about ASA that the rest of us don't. Any info please share.
Thanks,
Big Lou
June 20, 2008
BigLou
Topic: Bats
Discussion: 2010 Grandfathered bats

Trumpball
Aren't the original freaks "grandfathered" in by ASA a couple of years ago now illegal?
July 25, 2007
BigLou
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Great choice to remove those threads

Hey Pete I have to disagree with you because I would hate to see anyone try to control or censor Einstein. He may be a little enthusiastic/passionate about his ideas but he does bring up some great topics for discussion. (Iím assuming the board removed the thread because of Einstein and others repeated verbal attacks and threats toward Gary19). I quite enjoy Einsteinís passionate posts. I know he does resort to name calling occasionally but again just part of his enthusiasm. I canít speak for Gary19 but he seems to take the insults and repeated threats levied at him pretty well with intelligent, witty replies.
Sept. 15, 2006
BigLou
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Doctored Bat in Seattle?

I'm still interested in the who and how. Who protested the bat if not Steinbrenner? How did they go about it? Like I've said I've played against players that I thought were using an altered bat (No ultras were allowed) and I'ld like to know how you go about it? Or did the tournament director do this on his own? I heard the team was playing the Mavericks- did the Mavericks protest this? And if so how? Maybe someone from the Mavericks can enlighten me. And I may be naive but can you make a synergy hotter than an Ultra II?
Maurice the gangster of Love
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