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Discussion: Slowpitch, US National team vs US Futures team on ESPN2 at 8:00pm or ES2HD

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June 27, 2012
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2696 posts
Slowpitch, US National team vs US Futures team on ESPN2 at 8:00pm or ES2HD
ESPN2 at 8:00pm or ES2HD tonight, Wednesday.
June 27, 2012
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2696 posts
That's eastern time
June 27, 2012
rfsoftball
Men's 50
54 posts
Futures 37
USA 30
Botton of the 6
June 27, 2012
turn2
486 posts
Great game so far.
June 27, 2012
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2696 posts
looks like McCraw was telling Rainwater to slide.
USA lost by 1 run
June 28, 2012
Webbie25
Men's 60
1993 posts
Agree, Bruce-but not sure he could have slid from that far away from the plate. I think I would have tried it though.
June 28, 2012
TerryN
Men's 60
8 posts
Sorry that I missed the game lasts night. Anyone have any information on whether it is being re-broadcasted?
June 28, 2012
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2696 posts
Don't know about a reply but Team USA will be playing Canada this Saturday. I'm not sure about the time.
June 28, 2012
wiseguy298
Men's 55
9 posts
Game is on at 3pm est ESPN2
June 28, 2012
stattad
Men's 65
177 posts
Slopitch is on ESPN2 every night through July 2. Here's the schedule:
http://www.usasoftball.com/news.asp?action=display&uid=6969
June 28, 2012
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2696 posts
It looks as if only one more men's slowpitch, rest are women's fastpitch

Beginning today the World Cup of Softball presented by Lumber Liquidators will be broadcast around the world on ESPN’s family of networks the Amateur Softball Association (ASA) of America and USA Softball announced today. Six women’s fast pitch games and two men’s slow pitch games, including the annual Border Battle matchup between USA and Canada and the inaugural Slow Pitch Showdown between the USA Men’s National team and USA Men’s Futures team, will be included in the broadcast.

“We’re extremely excited to have the World Cup of Softball presented by Lumber Liquidators distributed to sports fans around the globe,” said ASA Executive Director Ron Radigonda. “This event was created to give fans the opportunity to witness the top women’s softball players in the world on an annual basis, and the worldwide television coverage helps us achieve that goal. With the addition of the Border Battle, now in its fourth year of existence, fans also get the opportunity to see the best players that slow pitch softball has to offer.”

The ESPN networks are the exclusive domestic home of the World Cup of Softball and feature over 15 hours of live coverage on ESPN and ESPN2 highlighted by multiple prime time windows including the Championship Game on Monday, July 2 at 9 p.m. ET. All broadcasts will be done in HD and available on the respective ESPN HD channels. The complete domestic ESPN telecast schedule is below:

Date
Game
Time (CST)
Wednesday, June 27
USA vs USA Futures (Men's Slow Pitch)
7:00 PM - ESPN2
Thursday, June 28
USA vs Puerto Rico
6:00 PM - ESPN2
Friday, June 29
USA vs Australia
6:00 PM - ESPN
Saturday, June 30
USA vs Netherlands
Noon - ESPN2

USA vs Canada (Border Battle)
2:00 PM - ESPN2

USA vs Canada
6:00 PM - ESPN
Sunday, July 1
USA vs Brazil
Noon - ESPN2
Monday, July 2
Championship Game
8:00 PM - ESPN2
June 28, 2012
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2696 posts
The replay can be found online at:
http://espn.go.com/watchespn/player?id=480911
June 28, 2012
Gorilla Boy
Men's 50
187 posts
Hey Bruce, if Rainwater would not have taken such a wide turn at 3rd base. He alsmost touched the dugout as he was rounding 3rd. All in all it was a good game to watch with a great play to end the game. I watched it this mornig at 5:00 it was on again. Denny Helmig from Worth was the co host announcer. Denny works at Worth and actually started Steele's Sports. He has been around awhile.
Good Stuff!
Gorilla Boy
June 28, 2012
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2696 posts
You're right Mike, it looked as if Rainwater came running out of the stands. Two of the guys that I play E ball with said Brian Rainwater was their high school coach!
Team USA really showed what they were made of when they came back and scored 20 runs in one inning.
I wish that Denny Helmig would get someone else to him Saturday. She just didn't know enough about men's softball to present it to the audience.
June 29, 2012
DoubleL10
Men's 65
836 posts
Baker was motioning for Rainwater to get down while McCraw - the on-deck hitter - was making no signal. It did look like Rainwater made a very wide turn at 3rd like Bruce said. It almost looked like he came running out of the dugout!
I also agree that Beth Mowins should be replaced by someone with some softball "cred".
June 29, 2012
Doc
2 posts
Big Cat and Bruce.. I played against Helmig circa 1974-75 when he played OF for Lima Steele and Columbus Worthington Steel. I was with Wilsman Trucking. Of course, Mike would know him best from the (big) Steele's days.

I agree, Rainwater's base running was poor....and Bryson did motion him to slide, but Rainwater was so far out of line.

Beth Mowins seemed to mix up right field with left sometimes...or maybe I was just having a senior moment. I agree too that she was not a good choice for men's slowpitch.

The 300 ft. fence and only 10 hrs. makes it a different game. Plus I believe the breeze was out. Saturday's game should be good.
June 29, 2012
Gorilla Boy
Men's 50
187 posts
Hey Doc, you are right about Denny. He started the Steele's deal with John Brenner and Coats. He does know the game and the players out there today. As far as the field goes my Steele's team played on that field in 1987 against Smythe Sox to open it up. It was the week after Smythe beat us for the USSSA crown in Waterloo, Iowa.

They played the ASA Men's Super there in 1988, 1989, and in 1990. They were using Wilson balls at the time because Wilson wanted to be part of the big picture with ASA. They gave the ASA something like 50,000 for that. They could never really get the right ball together for that event. We even played the 1989 Olympic Festival there in 1989.

All 4 events the Wilson ball was different. In 1990 our Steele's team scored like 80 runs on the top field. Both fields face in the same direction. The wind blows out to left field every day. It's Oklahoma and boy does the wind blow there. In 1990 we used a good Wilson ball and you had some high scoring games. We beat Lighthouse 62-50 for the championship. The year before our Steele's team with Bruce Meade lost to Lighthouse 7-6. The ball that year was a Wilson ball and the cor was nothing. It was just an outside shell. They used the same ball in the Olympic Festival that same year and that is when one player pushed an umpire and someone else spit on one. Needless to say with those actions they didn't want slo-pitch in the Olympics. After 1990 they play the ASA A,B, and C Championships there. I believe they still do today. In 1990 I hit one ball that went over the top of those trees in right field. Bill Blake and Dirk Androff hit balls onto the top field. The ball really flies there. That is one reason it is so hard for the players to keep it in the yard there now. How many swings were there that looked like they were trying to hit a line drive and it flew right out.

Anyways I enjoyed the game.
Sorry for the rambling on... Just brought back some old but good memories...
Gorilla Boy
June 29, 2012
Doc
2 posts
Gorilla Boy, Your memory is great. No rambling for me. I knew John Brenner (Zelmo) pretty well. I was there in 1990 to watch and do remember the wind and balls going onto the upper field way behind the main left field...seems like it took a 450+ shot to do that.

Wish Dave Neale Sr.was still around...you two have great stories.
June 29, 2012
Tri18
647 posts
Gorilla Cat! I believe it was the first year they opened that park and it was my first year playing Major softball. I was playing with Instant Landscape/TPS and we beat this little team named Ritchies up on the top field our first game. Our second game we played on the stadium field and I believe we scored 48 runs....and we got run ruled by You and The Steeles crew 75-48. I came in and pitched the last 3 innings and held you under 20! Lol good times good days....I did some testing on the Wilson OPTIMA ball back in the day. They were trying to use a hollow core.....didn't work too well. I remember outrageous knuckle balls and smashing balls only to see a parachute come out around 285 and them dropping quickly to the ground. Hope you are well!
Alan Tanner Team 1 Sports
June 29, 2012
Ceres
66 posts
Everyone that's responded to this thread knows slow pitch softball well enough that it makes no difference who the announcers are. The only thing we need to know from an announcer is the name of the batter, his position in the order, and his fielding position. The television tells us just about every thing we need to know.

Those viewers who don't know slow pitch, won't realize Beth's mistakes and furthermore won't watch very long.

June 29, 2012
Capt Kirk
410 posts
#18, Andy Purcell, pitcher for the US National Team, played on our league team in CA when he was 16. His dad, John, worked with me at Lockheed in Sunnyvale, CA.
June 29, 2012
Beasley
Men's 50
169 posts
Hey Mike, I also played there in '88, '89 and '90 in the Super Open Championship with Bell Corp. It was always a great time and you're right, the wind really blows there. It seemed like we would get through a couple games in the winners bracket but just couldn't get over the hump.

Wasn't this were the alledged "random steroid testing" first took place?
June 29, 2012
Gorilla Boy
Men's 50
187 posts
Hey John, yes it was the place. In 1990 they had everyone on the teams rosters including the coaches to be expecting to take a test. In 1990 they took 3 people from the 2 teams playing for the championship. Steele's and Lighthouse. They tested in 1990 in Oklahoma, 1991 in Little Rock, Arkansas with Ritch's and Sunbelt Plastics, and in 1992 in Hendersonville, Tennessee where they played the Conway Twitty. They had the ASA there and it was Ritch's and Steeles Hitmen..
June 30, 2012
bkb555
94 posts
I must say, it is alot more fun playing in a game like this than watching it...I played with Helmer (syracuse area) in early 2000's and he is a terrific guy...also had Jeff Wallace on our team...it was just a rec team but these guys were so good with the other players and just wanted some swings during the week before the big games on the w/e....also saw Steele's come to Syracuse in early 80's to play our "all stars" from our classic league...they won 45-3 I think...but the big thrill was going to the Van after the game and thinking if you wanted to spend $35 for a Steele sports 34 inch-38 OUNCE bat...thirty five bucks couldn't buy a bat bag today but it was a TON of money to spend for a bat back then......they were just way ahead of their times....one thing I did notice about these guys is, they pack on the pounds....or really fat guys to be blunt...i guess if I weighed 240 instead of my 180 solid steel and sex appeal body (lol) I would be hitting the ball about 350 ...but it is fun to watch them hit...I am so glad to be back to fundamental, fun softball again playing senior ball

June 30, 2012
bkb555
94 posts
I must say, it is alot more fun playing in a game like this than watching it...I played with Helmer (syracuse area) in early 2000's and he is a terrific guy...also had Jeff Wallace on our team...it was just a rec team but these guys were so good with the other players and just wanted some swings during the week before the big games on the w/e....also saw Steele's come to Syracuse in early 80's to play our "all stars" from our classic league...they won 45-3 I think...but the big thrill was going to the Van after the game and thinking if you wanted to spend $35 for a Steele sports 34 inch-38 OUNCE bat...thirty five bucks couldn't buy a bat bag today but it was a TON of money to spend for a bat back then......they were just way ahead of their times....one thing I did notice about these guys is, they pack on the pounds....or really fat guys to be blunt...i guess if I weighed 240 instead of my 180 solid steel and sex appeal body (lol) I would be hitting the ball about 350 ...but it is fun to watch them hit...I am so glad to be back to fundamental, fun softball again playing senior ball

June 30, 2012
dano911sc
47 posts
Capt Kirk, what a small world Andy Purcell and bunch of great guys (some playing 50s SSUSA) played for me, sponsored by Sunnyvale Construction back in 2001-2003 at Washington Park. Making a story short our team never lost and were kicked out of all the leagues in Santa Clara County for having payed players which was drummed up by Gary Brown of Sunnyvale Parks & Recreation and others in Santa Clara County.
Andy Purcell will be 41 years old this year still playing for Resmondo Worth, by the looks of things he might be playing in his 50s getting a check... you go Andy!

Capt Kirk you said you worked at Lockheed Sunnyvale,CA my grandfather Herschel Brown was VP maybe before your time :)
June 30, 2012
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2696 posts
Capt Kirk, I worked at Lockheed in Marietta, ga,three years ago for my company, Avaya. I only worked there 14 months thank goodness. I'm retired now.
June 30, 2012
dano911sc
47 posts
USA 32 Canada 21
June 30, 2012
Tim Millette
499 posts
Alan, we're you on the Instand Landscaping team with a young right fielder named Hank Garris?
If so.....your first game was against our Budweiser team...after we won that game we were rewarded with Steeles on the top field.....

And yes Mike, that was the 82-34 three inning game...it seemed like your Steeles team took batting practice for about two hours.
July 1, 2012
Tri18
647 posts
Tim, Tim, Tim,! How the heck are you? Yes we had a little punk named Garris on our team then. He weighed about 195 and could run it down and had a nice arm too!
July 1, 2012
jimjoes-gman
Men's 55
80 posts
Ironically , I happened to be listening to the "Jim Rome Show" on the radio at noon the following Monday after the game.The softball game between team USA & The Futures became the topic. He was very harsh about the players & the game itself.He called them "a bunch of 5'10 , 310 lb slobs.I never cared much for Jim Romes big mouth & his self described knowledge of every sport. Anyone know if he ever even played anything or just relies on his big mouth to get his personal points accross & make money doing it ?
July 1, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
a) Rome played tennis.

b) Yes he is a bit of schtick, but....

c) you should have as many people tuning in to hear what you have to say on a daily basis as he does. And as many people willing to pay you as he does.
July 1, 2012
swing for the fences
Men's 50
1006 posts
would of thought G19 would be mad at Rome.. since he is 5'7" 310 pounds.. LOL
July 1, 2012
Gorilla Boy
Men's 50
187 posts
Yes Tim it was your team up on the hill. That was 1990. Didn't Wes Lord lead the tourney in hitting that year with a .900 average, or real close to that? And Alan I remember playing your team as well. Did Scott Walinus play 3rd base and Jackie McClain pitch? I remember Hank playing the outfield. I think that might have been 1989. I think Dirk Androff hit 8 home runs in the one game against your team in 1989. If it was 1989, then the little team called Ritch's came back throught the losers bracket to win the tourney with Charles Wright as the MVP.

Those were some good times back then with all of the friendship you had in the game. Fun times win or lose... Ritch's beat our Steele's team up on the hill Sunday morning in the losers bracket. I believe we got beat by New Construction and that was when Virkus and Mr. Neale were getting into it pretty heavy in the dugout after our loss. That ws 1989. Ritch's went on to win the ASA Men's Major that year as well..

Good Stuff
Gorilla Boy
July 1, 2012
Tri18
647 posts
Wow mike! Great memory! Scootty wallisa used to tell us all that we didn't respect him for his speed and base running as he was one of the top 3 fastest guys on the team! And he was dead serious. I'm sure a lot of records went down in that game. Balls were flying around like missiles. Jackie was pitching too and you got that one correct as well. Hank and Keith Glasgow got in a fight in the HOF museum and got thrown out if I remember.I remember Dave yelling at virkus too! Great stuff!
July 1, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
swing, you are close. I am 5'8" and have benched 310..... LOL
July 1, 2012
Gary33
143 posts
Jim Rome will attack anyone but not to their face. But if they come on his show they're his best friends.
July 1, 2012
bkb555
94 posts
WHO is Jim Rome??????lol
July 1, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Gary, clearly you did not hear him interview David Stern a few weeks ago, or all of the national talk shows who were talking about it the next day.

Nice try, though.....:(
July 1, 2012
Fastsam
Men's 60
55 posts
Did you see the Jim Everett interview Rome did when he was calling him Chris Everett? He's not afraid to tell it like it is even to the peoples faces.
July 1, 2012
Tim Millette
499 posts
Mike Wes was 18-20 in the tourney. We had two guys make all American even though we didnt do to well in the event... One was 18-20 with 8 homeruns. The other guy was 18-21 with 15 homeruns...
That weekend was my first major tourney.... Other then your teams butt kicking I have many fond memories..... At breakfast Saturday morning I was loading up an artery blocking meal of french toast loaded with syrup tons of bacon and sausage when a booming voice from behind he beams down..... "How you going to stay on the cover of newspapers eating stuff like that?".... I turned around to a plate of healthy greens and veggies..... Looked up and BRUCE FRINKIN MEADE hands me the Little Rock paper with a photo of me on the front page touching home plate after a homerun.... I was hooked on major softball from that moment on.
July 2, 2012
Gary33
143 posts
Gary 19 Don't listen or watch him any more! Thinks he's an expert on everything. Don't like pro basketball. David Stern is not a very big man I don't see Rome taking on Brian Urlacker.
July 2, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
You really think Urlacher, or any athlete no matter their size, would ever physically attack Rome? I know Jim Everett did once, but I just don't see that ever happening again. Too much, in many ways, for them to lose.

Hence, Rome has no real fear of anyone he were to comment on.

And he might feel like he is an expert on everything, but so does Dan Patrick, Pat O'Brien, Mike and Mike, Colin Cowherd, and any other national or probably local talker. Again, that is just part of their schtick and part of the job.
July 5, 2012
Omar Khayyam
1003 posts
Love to read these reminiscences of Gorilla Boy, Doc, Tri18, Tim Millette and others about the old days with the barnstorming Men of Steele and their competitors. Keep it up.
July 6, 2012
Tri18
647 posts
Omar, don't open up the box or I'll keep going once it's cracked open a little wider...lol all right just one more. My old room mate Rob oleath was playing for Steeles along with my friend from WP Beach area Doug Roberson. Mr. M acenko was in attendance as well. I was new to the major game and Steeles came to WPB to play my Instant Landscape/TPS team. Rob and I rode to the game together and of course we played against each other. We won in the bottom of the 7th 37-35 when Rick Anderson hit a 3 run homer. (Rick plays on my team now in M+ 50!!) Steeles had a team meeting after the game so I waited for rob. After ten minutes of Dave Neale screaming at the team I finally became kind of embarrassed and moved away from the area.I ended up waiting on Rob over a half hour so we could drive home. He said it was the worst a-- chewing he has ever received. Moral to the story...drive your own car when you play a friends team! Lol
July 6, 2012
Conman
Men's 50
72 posts
A T one thing I do remember (other than the butt chewing) was every time a home run or foul ball was hit, Mr Neale threw in a new Steele's ball.
No one even tried to go after the ones that were hit out. The kids had a field day. Never saw Avery that happy either. lol I think Killer,
Harold Kelly had a fairly good game also.

Conman
July 7, 2012
Tri18
647 posts
Con,
That was the great days of softball the way it was supposed to be played...hit all you want and the hitters that could, did. That was when big time softball was starting to reach it's peak and Dave Neale and the entire Steeles team was one of the main reasons along with Jerome earnest.
AT18
July 7, 2012
Beasley
Men's 50
169 posts
Good thing Rick hit it out because I was on deck....
July 10, 2012
Conman
Men's 50
72 posts
Beaz, on deck does not mean standing there with a cup of water (LOL) .. I wish I had the scorebook from that game.
Bobby Kozak and Mark Baker played with us that year. Don't remember if Ernie Toth or Eric (EJ) Jackson played with us that night or if that was later in the season. Someone, may have been Mike Bolen or Craig Elliot hit one off me that probably hasn't landed yet. Sal let me hear about that one for a long long time. At least until Lafayette that year when Eddie Berg hit one over the lights. I ran into Eddie a few years back and thanked him for all the abuse from my teammates I got!

Conman
July 10, 2012
Beasley
Men's 50
169 posts
Con,

You have more softballs orbiting the earth then all the countries combined have satelites! I heard that if NASA couldn't figure out how to launch the shuttle, they were going to see if you could pitch it to someone and let them hit it into orbit.

And I never said what I was doing on deck until you were kind of enough to tell everyone. Every team needs a batboy and I was just happy to be able to hang out at the ball park.

I believe Kozak and Baker played with us that year. I think EJ was with us also but I don't think Ernie was with us.
July 10, 2012
Tri18
647 posts
I saw Beasley hit the farthest balls I have ever seen him hit today....lol
True story
July 10, 2012
Beasley
Men's 50
169 posts
I hate to steal a line but I'm not as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I ever was.

Thanks Alan, that one ball makes up for the 8 pop-ups and 10 fifteen hoppers.

Looked like you were hitting a few bombs whne I pulled up.
July 11, 2012
Conman
Men's 50
72 posts
Beaz,

When did u become a comedian? At least I didn't have the nickname "Plus 40". That's what we called one of our other (he will remain nameless) pitchers because everyone hit the ball 40 ft further when he pitched.

Still remember Greg Gurrant wearing a towel around his neck in the outfield when we played against Starpath at the Space Coast in Cocoa. I asked him what was wrong and he said he hurt his neck turning around watching all the ball fly over the fence. My "buddies".

Alan, was he hitting from the pitcher's mound again?

Conman
July 11, 2012
Beasley
Men's 50
169 posts
Hitting from the mound is too far for me. I was hitting from 2nd base and you wouldn't believe the WTP I had. Dude, I was sporting wood when I hit one off the fence.
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