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Discussion: Hamstring Pull

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July 18, 2012
surf88
Men's 60
885 posts
Hamstring Pull
Monday night I played in some cold weather in the mountains. Sprinted and felt a light ham pull. Any good ideas to help me thru the recovery would be appreciated. Have Wintercrest and an IF 3 Wave Interferential Stimulator.
Ed Andrews
970-729-3145
ed@ewandrews.com
July 18, 2012
swing for the fences
Men's 50
1004 posts
if it's slight it will go away in a week to two weeks if you have to play wrap it as tight as you can without cramping.. and apply the Wintercrest on it for the next week and when you play... I had one After rock and reno and I was 100 percent in 14 days.. FYI I'm 51 though so it might be different at 60+!
July 18, 2012
leftyodoul
Men's 60
99 posts
Just what "swing" said and after a few days you might want to schedule some deep tissue massages with a therapist. It will help to release and stretch the muscle. Works well for me. I am also a 60.
July 18, 2012
Ho
231 posts
LEFTYODOUL is right on with the massages. Gets you back to speed quicker than all the other remedies. It will, however, bring tears to your eyes the first two sessions as he/she digs down deep into the muscle.

You can check with a local chiropractor or a therapist to find the right one for you.

Good Luck

Ho
July 18, 2012
Wayne 37
203 posts
Deep tissue massages require the giant hands of an ugly man. A dainty, beautiful woman with tiny hands can only work on a certain muscle.
July 20, 2012
surf88
Men's 60
885 posts
Thanks guys. I'm using IStem and moist heat. Four days in and it is getting better. Will wrap it tight tonight for our game. Will see a PT next week.
July 20, 2012
HJ
Men's 70
442 posts
I like heat which you appear to be using. Try epsom salt baths which I previously recommended.
It speeds up healing and relaxes the muscles.
Warm up well but don't do any static stretching before playing. Static stretching is ok after playing but actually tightens muscles before activity which is I know counter-intuitive.
July 20, 2012
Gary33
143 posts
Use Wintercrest when having the muscle massaged. What Wintercrest does is help bring healing oxygen to the site and clears out the dead blood cells by increasing blood flow to the area.
July 22, 2012
17Black
Men's 50
222 posts
^^^^^^^^^Wintercrest = "great stuff"

Just walked 18 holes carrying my golf bag up and down numerous hills. Knee was killing me. Luckily no league softball games till Tuesday this week.

Put wintercrest all around the knee this afternoon, 90% of pain gone in 30 minutes, almost all gone in an hour.

Had bad calf muscle for over a month from softball, put wintercrest on-----------miraculously, pain goes away in a few days.

July 23, 2012
Webbie25
Men's 60
1985 posts
From one that has struggled at times with hamstrings-Wintercrest is the best thing. ALSO-and I got this from the Detroit Tigers trainers-get a styrofoam roller about 3 feet by 6 or 7 inches high and roll that hamstring for about 15 minutes every day-it really works.
July 23, 2012
Paco13
373 posts
Quick Q. I never used this product...Which one is the better one the hot stuff (red container) or the one on the blue container. LAtely I am having a lot of leg problems. Thanks in advance for the advice.

JESUS TE AMA.
July 23, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
I realize age is working against all of us, but for those of you who appear to have chronic hamstring problems before solely relying on this magic elixir you should try proper conditioning and stretching. A little prevention can be a wonderful thing.

Unless you are an Olympic-caliber sprinter there probably should not be that many problems. And even they help themselves to prevent them.
July 24, 2012
boston
306 posts
Before, I play any game USSSA or SSUSA I ride a stationary bike and stretch either at home or in a hotel room. I do not stretch much at the fields to prevent over stretching the muscle. But, I also stretch everyday morning and evening whether I am playing or not. this works for me.
July 24, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Great point boston. How many of you guys who are swearing by this product actually do properly warmup and prepare yourselves before you play? Please note the use of the word "properly".

Prevention can be a wonderful thing.
July 24, 2012
Paco13
373 posts
I still will like to know which is one is better or does it matter. As far as properly warming up and stretching I do both. The problem I have the same a small quad pulled not even sure if it that serious, have being playing with it for few weeks. I know that rest is probably the only real cure but if this wintercrest can be of any help why not try it.

PR Ninja out.

Jesus te ama.
July 24, 2012
Barry50
Men's 50
15 posts
Last time I pulled my hamstring, I went in for massage therapy and acupunture, they worked well and got the blood back into the muscles. You need to stretch and keep the scare tissue down on the healing process. All the wintercrest and creams are not going to help heal. Good Luck...
July 24, 2012
boston
306 posts
A couple of other things I do is take Calcium, magnesium and zinc everyday. I also drink a protien drink everyday. During tourneys I drink a protien drink after 2 games and take 2 more calcium, magnesium and zinc tablets. I also drink an avg. of 20 to 32 ozs of water per game in extremely hot weather. I just finished playing in a senior tourney in El Paso and played 8 games in 2 days in 90+ degree heat. I played OF every game and followed the above mentioned regimen and came out fine. With the exception of the typical aches and pains in our joints. I also went out and played with the kids last nite. Again as Gary 19 stated it's alot about physical preparation.
July 24, 2012
surf88
Men's 60
885 posts
Paco, It doesn't really matter much between the 2. Both are good. Have been using it for 8-9 years. It seems to be helpful.

My PT gave me suggestions. No static stretches but do dynamic warm ups (google it). Said to do slow/short jogs prior to gametime leading up to a swifter speed for 1/2 hour prior to gametime.
Thanks
Aug. 7, 2012
surf88
Men's 60
885 posts
As a follow up to this post, I did the dynamic warmup exercises before each game in Aurora. Played 5 games in left field, did a lot of running and was ok because I warmed up religiously 1/2 hour prior to each game.

Had always felt that static stretching was a good thing before games but that philosophy was incorrect.

Thanks for all your response and feedback.
Ed A.
Aug. 7, 2012
HJ
Men's 70
442 posts
Ed is now a firm believer in dynamic stretching as I discussed previously above in this thread.
Static stretching is the stretching we all were taught like runner's stretch or touching your toes and holding it. Simply put in a static stretch your muscles sense they may be damaged and react by tightening and making the muscle shorter, weaker and more susceptible to damage.
Static stretching is fine after the game but not before. This is all science based and there are videos explaining it. The problem with SB is you can go a number of minutes basically stationary and then have a max out sprint. Try to do a little jogging periodically during games to keep muscles warm and relaxed. Ed's pregame ritual described above is excellent, but you have to be in good shape to do the warmup properly.
Aug. 7, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
surf, good post. A little prevention sure beats a lot of wintercrest.
Aug. 7, 2012
Olden Slow
Men's 65
176 posts
surf..Having been a runner mosat of my life.(19 Marathons, 4 Ironmans and many many other races)..I'm glad you are better. have always and will always warm up for at least 20-30 minutes prior to game. I was a sprinter in HS and had a great coach that always pushed us to warm up properly...I realized that I had abnormally large hammys (skinny upper body...big legs )..I stretch 2 times a day and have for almost 50 years and knck on wood have had minimal muscle issues..Find what works for you and STICK WITH IT...I am now 64 and ALWAYS RUN FOR MYSELF ( and others also :-o)
Aug. 9, 2012
HJ
Men's 70
442 posts
Talk is cheap and stupidity can hurt. Today's game looked like a rainout. Worked on throwing and didn't warm the legs up properly. Bottomline
high quad pull. Stupid! Stupid! 48 hours of ice and compression and naproxen and then heat and massage and hope for the best. WARM UP and keep legs warm by intermittent jogging.
Aug. 10, 2012
Webbie25
Men's 60
1985 posts
One other thing, since the disparaging one sees the need to cut down Wintercrest now, if you have had 2 or 3 hamstring pulls and think more stretching is the answer-BE CAREFUL. After talking with the trainer for the Detroit Tigers and discussing my stretching routine, he came up with a surprising and accurate(since I have had one pull on a cold day in the last 2 years since) assessment that I was stretching TOO MUCH. I would stretch my hams in the outfield during innings, in the dugout and you can fatigue the ham making it vulnerable to pulls. Wintercrest does warm up the muscles-and we all know we have muscles that hurt after a tournament that we didn't know we used-pains where there never were any. But it does help after the pull. But Contrary wouldn't know that from behind the computer----WAIT-you could use Wintercrest on sore wrists and fingers from typing negative comments. You would go through a jar in 3 weeks.
Aug. 10, 2012
HJ
Men's 70
442 posts
Webbie, curious about what kind of stretching you were doing when the Tiger trainer said you could be over stretching. There is a difference between
dynamic and static stretching and I wonder if the trainer made the distinction. Static stretching according to the newer science can be counterproductive before and during competition.
Aug. 10, 2012
Webbie25
Men's 60
1985 posts
HJ-it was static stretching and I continued to do it every chance I got. I did not know the difference and the Tiger trainer never mentioned it. It's funny-I learned a long time ago I was better on the bicycle if I started slowly on the ride and worked into it, and I guess that is a kind of dynamic stretching. I'll have to try it in softball, too.
Aug. 10, 2012
surf88
Men's 60
885 posts
Web/HJ: Playing in Telluride is unique because of the populace of many amazing athletes that reside here. Because of it, the local physical therapists may be some of the best in the country.

When I pulled my ham 2 weeks prior to Aurora, it was on a cold rainy day with average temperatures in the low 50"s (typical in Colorado during the monsoon season). I did some serious static stretching before the game and I believe that was a mistake. My PT says DO NOT DO STATIC STRETCHING BEFORE THE GAMES. but do it afterward.

The dynamic stretching is more of a significant warming of the muscles prior to the game and the static stretching I've been told is good immediately afterward. I believe the serious static stretching I did before the game led to the pull.

In Aurora, I did a number of dynamic stretches before every game, which included leg swings, leg squats and afterward, leg hops. I did a lot of running including scoring numerous times from 1st and 2nd and I honestly believe the dynamic stretching helped me from reinjuring my ham.

Thanks for letting me share this experience with you guys. I hope it helps someone.
Ed
Aug. 10, 2012
Tim Millette
498 posts
According to Swing for the fences, his San Francisco city leaguers say if you work a real salty pickle just right, your rewarded with a squirt of salty pickle juice that's a cure all for all your Soft Ball needs.
Aug. 11, 2012
HJ
Men's 70
442 posts
Tim, I don't think the thrust of this thread was to cure all our SB needs. It is clear that there is no one size fits all and what works for one may be bad for another. That said we should all keep an open mind as to what may be a better way to do things than what we have been doing.
I remember 2 a day football practices in August
where water was denied during the whole practice.
And I remember being given salt pills.
At this time it is probably mainstream that static stretching is not good before an event. If
I were not aware of that and read it on this thread, I would probably do my own research to see the science and determine whether to switch to dynamic stretching. I made that switch about 2 years ago.
Aug. 11, 2012
HJ
Men's 70
442 posts
Sorry for 2 posts:

This article explains dynamic stretching well.
It also explains a number of the stretches and 1 stretch which may help golf and bat speed. On the
page is a video which demonstrates the stretches.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/02/sports/playmagazine/112pewarm.html?_r=1

You can copy the above link and paste it on the web browser you use. If you do go to the link, please comment here so I will learn whether putting links on this site are a waste of time or not.
Aug. 11, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
HJ,
Good info, thanks for the link.
Aug. 11, 2012
zonk
56 posts
HJ thanks for the link, it worked. Some really beneficial info. Especially needed for spurt sports such as SB. When I was younger, and played racquetball, I used to jog several times around the court to warmup. Which the article advocates, among other dynamic stretches. Thanks again.
Aug. 11, 2012
swing for the fences
Men's 50
1004 posts
next time we play together Timmy, I will bring you a large pickle you can take orally.. see if you like it.. :-)
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