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Discussion: Borders and snow birds

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Feb. 15, 2008
54 posts
Borders and snow birds
Jack Orewiler from Seatlle was able to get his comments about snow birds in the SSUSA Wionter addition

I wish the softball news would publish this but I don\'t think they will. I am only telling it like it is.

How would you like to have the borders of
North Dakota-South Dakota-Iowa and Wisconsin?
And then try to get enough players for a 70\'s team.
It is ridiculous.
One thing about it the people in the big Meccas on the East and west Coast don\'t have to worry because they get all of our snowbirds. They hav a surplus of players.

The bulk of all our teams are located in California -Florida Texas- Arizaona-Nevada

I have sent several emails complaining about the borders one has to work with.

Living in a small metropolitan area one has to catch on to a team where ever he canand border need to be crossed.

Recently Jack Orewiler from Seattle made a statement in the recent Softball news winter 2007 2008
His statement is the next sentence

\"Picking up players from neighboring states shoulf be plenty to recruit without going outside you region.\"

Jack\'s quote

I am not tasking a shot at him just making sure everybody kind of understands. I am no expert but the bordering states rule is not FAIR

If you live in Califiornia Texas- florida Arizona Nevada

You have a majority the teams and players.

Who cares about you guys out in the sticks.

Apparently Jack is not familiar with all the bordesr like I am .
The majority of all the teams are in the West and East Coast and Texas.

We in the Midwest are blessed with border like North and South Dakota and at the top Canada. Some states have
6 bodering states read this six states bordering them.
In Minnesota we have Iowa and Wisconsin also.

Wisconsin as you nmay well know also borders Michigan and Illinois this takes care of 99% of any players we could hope to get from Wiosconsin

This leaves me to recruit in North and Sout Dakota and yes we can sometimes get some players from Iowa.

If there is anybody that wants to trade North and South Dakota let me know.

I have brought this to the attentiopn of the SPA and SSUSA by sending Ridge Hooks and Terry Hennessy email. It appears the phones and all email have gone down.

It is impossible to find enough 70\'s player to form a traveling team and be competitive and get players that are willing to travel without going outsde our borders.

I am talking about Southern Minnesota and Northern Minnesota the rest of the state not the Metro area Mpls and St Paul Minnesota

I am sure nobody is listening
Feb. 15, 2008
Gary Heifner
248 posts
Maybe you could post on this website the need for players. If you still can't put together a team, Terry and Ridge should have the power to extend your search to states in a larger region. Both have extended special rulings in extreme cases. It certainly is not fair to exclude anyone from playing.
Feb. 16, 2008
Fred Scerra
Men's 80
542 posts
You are not the only one with that problem. Here in the NE area it is also tough to get a 70 Team together with players willing to travel.

IMO it is not the borders that is the main problem it is getting good players to travel.

If you go back about 4 yrs with the territorial restriction was put on the 70 div it was basically due to one team that got the best players east of the Mississippi and put together a team that demolished everyone to the point that no one would play them. Talking to some teams they wouldn't go to a tournament if they were entered.

So there is a reason for that rule. I don't like it but like most rules there is a reason for them.

I don't like it because it prevents me from playing out of my area but now that I am 75 I don't have to worry about that.
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