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| March 5, 2009 Gekle BUilders | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: DBO/PPR rule - still protecting nobody salio2k I guess my question is, would you rather have more rules (pitchers box DBO) or more players deciding the out come?Like you mentioned,when teams go to a 5 man infield hitters try to keep the ball out of the infield and hit out field gaps.Safer for infielders and pitchers?I think so. Thanks for your reply Ray |
| March 5, 2009 Gekle BUilders | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Team Ratings Ken sorry I didn't make myself more clear,I was refering to the 50 M+ team.They were real good a couple years ago than all their players went to 55 M+ thus the drop off in rating. |
| March 5, 2009 Gekle BUilders | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: DBO/PPR rule - still protecting nobody After reading all the input on this topic and a bunch of non-related pot shots at each other IMO senior moments has it close to right.Adding an 11Th player would do a number of things to help solve a number of issues. #1 it would add approx. 650 starting positions at all levels.At $35 a player good for business.Increasing participation. #2 it would help to discourage hitting up the middle. #3it would help to speed up games by tightening the defence to cut down on hitting alleys.To produce more outs.Coupled with HR limit DBOs. #4help teams be more competitive.The best teams in each Div. are separated from the rest by 3 or 4 of their top hitters lets say 1 thru 4.By adding another hitter to the line up batters 1 thru 4 would each lose one at bat per game.Thus helping to equalize line ups. I know that there are other things positive that would come out of this and I will let the MB decide that. Thanks for reading. Ray |
| March 4, 2009 Gekle BUilders | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Team Ratings JMO but the denial of Minnesota Greyhounds request to move down to major is a major mistake.I have no personal stake in this other than the request of fair play.Team didn't win a game against major teams last year.I don't think M+ is that desperate for teams! |
| Feb. 22, 2009 Gekle BUilders | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: A simple Turning Major plus into AA my answer is NO.So the last two post is that a yes or no.Simple question. |
| Feb. 19, 2009 Gekle BUilders | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: 50 Major Plus schedules making progress Joe I am not sure that this date for Midwest is right or not nobody from staff will respond to this question which I find to be very strange.Maybe they don't know yet?We may not go either if we don't get answer soon.Hope it works out for you guys. Thanks Ray |
| Feb. 19, 2009 Gekle BUilders | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: 50 Major Plus schedules making progress I agree Joe.I sent you a # for Vinny on Windy City.Check e-mail.thanks. Ray |
| Feb. 19, 2009 Gekle BUilders | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: The Stoneman Hey Einstein,The weather is forgettable.Just wanted to pass that info. along to others from the Stoneman it looked pretty well thought out to me.Our first tourney is in Michigan in May.(Qualifier)If I had your e-mail I could send you a copy.Mine is in the M.B. archives if you want it.We are looking to play USSSA Worlds in N. Bradford Conn. in August.Will be making two or three west coast trips.Have a Great Day. Ray |
| Feb. 19, 2009 Gekle BUilders | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: The Stoneman Mad Dog I can not verify every comment in these post to be fact. I am simply sharing some information that was e-mailed to me that I thought to be interesting reading for softball players in general.I hope you were able to get some positive feedback from these post as well.Thanks for your comments. Ray |
| Feb. 18, 2009 Gekle BUilders | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: The Stoneman B.) BALLS: The balls are why we have 2 styles of Bats. (ASA & USSSA Bats.) 1.) A safe ball can be made. This ball can also, perform well. 2.) In 1986 or so, the Surlyn Ball was used. This Ball had a 53 cor & the Comp was in the area of 300. A “Mold Injected Process” made Surlyn Balls. This is why Surlyn Balls had a “ton of bounce.” 3.) Fact- in the mornings Softball travel much better, than in the heat of the day. Softballs also,travel much better once the Sun has set. 4.) Do to the New Testing at present, a Ball with a cor higher than 51, is the Safest Ball that can be made at present. As long as the comp is under 300 / 400, the SEVERITY INDEX (S.I.), will be under 1200. If, the S.I. is around or over 1200, massive damage & death can occur. 5.) At present a 51.4 cor ball with a 281 comp, S.I. is 433. Back in 1986 or so, the Hot Dots, were 53 cor 300 comp Surlyn Balls. The Bats of that era were 36-38 oz Aluminum Bats. 6.) Also, tested was a 49 cor ball with a 272 comp, it’s S.I. is 769. 7.) ANACONDA SPORTS (A.S.) has the contract to make Softballs for SS- USA. Last Aug, SS-SSA, ordered 80,000 doz Softball from Anaconda. That’s 960,000 Softball. Each Softball is hand stitched. One person can only stitch 72 balls per day. (For one person to stitch 960,000 balls, it would take that person 37.6 years.) 8.) Until 2003-2004, SS-USA did not have any “real” contract to supply Tournament Balls. The local Area T.D.’s furnished balls that were to be used. 9.) Fact- for SS-USA, to change to another ball, SS-USA, would have to Break or change SS-USA’s present contract to A.S. It would then take Anaconda Sports, 4 to 6 months to fabricate all 960,000 Softballs. 10.) Fact- heat does affect Softballs. Always has & will always be so. Get over it. BALLS with a COR over 51 are less effected by the HEAT. 11.) More testing on Balls are still go’ on today. The final answer has not been derived as of yet. It appears that a Softball with a cor of at least 51 should be used. If, anyone still has any of the old 1986 Surlyn Balls, please try hit’ those old Balls with today’s Composite Bats. 12.) Is the present day Bat & Ball combination good for the game? Like it or not, the ruling Softball Organizations & SGMA, are pushing for the change. Finally, ASA, NSA, USSSA, & others are starting to listen to NOCSAE. Because of the Ball & Bat combinations / Law Suites due to Injuries, ASA is finally rethink’ ASA’s stand on balls. Data proves that the lower cor balls S.I. are well over 1200. If, 1200 will kill a player, does it matter if a Balls S.I. is over 1900? That’s like be’ shot with a 38 or a 44 Mag. You are still dead. (Kevin’s Yogism) Here is a simple explanation.(YogKev) Right now on impact the bat is doing about 80% of the flexing, and the ball about 20%. By reversing this, ball 80% and bat 20% you can get the same type of performance with a much safer ball. No ball is going to 100% safe at the speeds they are travel’, but the impact force of the ball on body parts can be reduced by at least 60% or more. Again if the ball has a higher cor it will try to rebound away on impact of a bone structure instead of trying to drive through it. If it has a lower compression the impact is reduced because it is softer. A Ball with a 525 comp, will take 525 lbs of Force to compress a Ball ¼”. A Ball with a 375 comp, will take 375 lbs, less force to compress a Ball ¼ of an inch. It is very important to understand this fact. In our youth, the Ball did 80% of the work & not the Bat. 13.) ASA, is start’ new test’ with Bats & Balls. ASA, has known that their ASTM 2219, was greatly flawed. This is why, ASA asked someone to come up with a solution to ASA’s problem. Remember, ASA told their Bat Test’Lab to help out the Bat Company’s when one of their Bats failed. ASA gets $1.50 form the Bat Company’s for every Bat that has an ASA sticker. 14.) Today’s 40 & 44 cor Balls were designed to be used in combination with the (1996 to 2002) Aluminum Bats. It took ASA & other a year or less to notice that R & D, had throw the Softball Game upside down. 15.) Because of the New Test; Players Complaints; NOCSAE; ASA will go back to a revised 1.20 BPF. This will save Softball Players MONEY. Players will not need to buy an ASA & then a ISA, NSA, & USSSA Bat(s). 1 Bat. Seniors do not require a Special Softball for Mid day play. I do not remember in my youth, time was called & a hot weather Ball was put into the game, after 11 AM. Why is ASA, seven years later, finally listen’ to NOCSAE. Info on Bats & Balls. Follow the MONEY. ASA does not want to get sued. PERIOD. Over the last couple of years, there has been six Law Suites (min), which went for over $1 MILLION. |
| Feb. 18, 2009 Gekle BUilders | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: The Stoneman > >Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009, 11:01 AM > >When will seniors face the facts & stop their > WHIN’? > > > > > A.) BATS: Bat Companies are making huge profits today. > > >1.) Many of today’s Composite Bats are being > Rolled or Shaved. > > >2.) Bat company’s, will not do anything to stop > Roll’ or Shaving. > > >3.) Bat manufactory’s have includes into the > cost of a New Bat, the > > > > Cost for the 2nd bat, which is the > Warranty Bat. > > >4.) Bats that have been Altered, relieve the Bat > company’s from any > > > > Liabilities. (Law Suites.) > > >5.) The number of return bats is about 1 in > 20.(This is a hard > estimate.) > > >6.) Because Bats are being altered, the Bat > Manufactures profit is > > > > SKY HIGH. (Few players are will’ to turn > in an Altered Bat.) > > 7.) The senior & other Softball Organization > shave & will never FORCE > > > > the Bat companies, into design’ Bats > that cannot be altered.(PROFIT) > > >8.) The Bat manufactures already have stated that > they, the bat > > > > companies, will not try to stop Bat > tamper'.(PROFIT) > > >9.) A chip has already been Designed & Tested > that could be used to > > > > test any Bat, right at the fields. This > would stop 90% of all > > > > Illegal Bats. > > 10.) Cost of this chip would be $2.00. Cost of the > “GUN”/ devise to > > > > Test a Bat at the fields, is only about > $300. Thiswould also > > > > include the Program. NOTE: MOST SS-USA > EVENTS-already have Laptop > > > > on site. > > 11.) SS-USA- does not perform any Search or Test’ of > any kind at the > > > > Softball Fields. 3.4(6) Bat > Inspection….. This also, includes > > > > Instruct’ UMPS, in what one should be > look’ for or how to Test a > > > > Bats Balanc’ Point. > > 12.) The parties that did design this CHIP, has & > is still well’ to > > > > give the Patent rights to all Bat > Companies. > > 13.) During the 2002-2004 era, many Bats were banned; > at ASA’s, request, > ASA’s Bat Test’ Labs did help out the Bat > Companies. NYS Test’ Lab > told the Bat company’s what could be done so as > to get their bats > to pass. Then ASA banned those Bats. > ASA Bat test’ is mostly done at Washington State Univ, > were that lab has a “cannon” that can “fire” > Softballs at 110 MPH toward Softball Bats. > > 14.) Miken Sports made Worth Composite Bats design. > Will K2, which owns > > > > Miken / Rawlings / Worth, explain why > there are so many Miken or > > > > Worth style Bats? ASA Bats & 1.20 > Bats; with eight different > weights. Then there is the manufactur’ of Fast > Pitch &Baseball > Bats. Miken bats are made in the US. Miken > Technology is used in > > > > the manufactur’ of Worth Bats. Worth > Bats are made in China. > > 15.) Today’s Balls break Composite Bats quicker. > More Bat sales.(PROFIT) > > > > > Just remember, in our earlier years, the only Bat weights > were 36 or 38 oz. The 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, & 29 oz Bats, > have increased the Batted Ball Speed (BBS), by 8%. Back in > the old days, there were only two Bat weights > & not eight. Only 1 style. (ASA, USSSA, Stiff or Flex > handles) > > > > > The above & the fact that 40 & 44 cor Balls, travel > thru the infield 3.57 MPH faster. So, that is an 11 plus > increase in BBS. FACT: The game has changed do to Reach > & Develpoment. Sorry, but this “problem”, did not > exist > back in 1960 thru 1996. > > > > > When will seniors or the Major Softball gods,crack down on > Illegal Bats? Why in this modern age, has nothing been done > to stop this problem? (MONEY) Two Bats compared to Eight > Bats. Players buy ASA & U-trip Bats. Only real > different? (Graphics; Stiff or Flex Handles; a slightly > differ mold.) > > > > > WHAT DO U THINK/ POST or NOT. BUY U CAN! |
| Feb. 18, 2009 Gekle BUilders | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: The Stoneman > TODAYS BALL WERE MADE FOR 1996 ALUMIN' BATS. GUYS, THESE > R THE FACTS. MAY NOT LIKE THEM. IT'S OK TO SEND AROUND. > > A.) BATS: Bat Companies are making huge profits today. > 1.) Many of today’s Composite Bats are being Rolled or > Shaved. > 2.) Bat company’s, will not do anything to stop Roll’ > or Shaving. > 3.) Bat manufactory’s have includes into the cost of a > New Bat, the > Cost for the 2nd bat, which is the Warranty Bat. > 4.) Bats that have been Altered, relieve the Bat > company’s from any > Liabilities. (Law Suites.) > 5.) The number of return bats is about 1 in 20. (This is a > hard estimate.) > 6.) Because Bats are being altered, the Bat Manufactories > profit is SKY > HIGH. (Few players are will’ to turn in an Altered > Bat.) > 7.) The senior & other Softball Organizations have > & will never FORCE the > Bat companies, into design’ Bats that cannot be > altered. (PROFIT) > 8.) The Bat manufactories already have stated that they, > the bat > companies, will not try to stop Bat tamper’. > (PROFIT) > 9.) A chip has already been Designed & Tested that > could be used to test > any Bat, right at the fields. This would stop 90% of > all Illegal Bats 10.) Cost of this chip would be $2.00. Cost > of the “GUN”/ devise to > Test a Bat at the fields, is only about $300. This > would also include > the Program. NOTE: MOST SS-USA EVENTS- already have > Laptop on site. > 11.) SS-USA- does not perform any Search or Test’ of any > kind at the > Softball Fields. 3.4(6) Bat Inspection ….. This > also, includes > Instruct’ UMPS, in what one should be look’ for > or how to Test a > Bats Balanc’ Point. > 12.) The parties that did design this CHIP, has & is > still well’ to give > the Patent rights to all Bat Companies. > 13.) During the 2002-2004 era, many Bats were banned; at > ASA’s, request, > ASA’s Bat Test’ Labs did help out the Bat > Companies. NYS Test’ Lab > told the Bat company’s what could be done so as to > get their bats to > pass. Then ASA banned those Bats. > > ASA Bat test’ is mostly done at Washington State Univ, > were that lab has a “cannon” that can “fire” > Softballs at 110 MPH toward Softball Bats. > 14.) Miken Sports made Worth Composite Bats design. Will > K2, which owns > Miken / Rawlings / Worth, explain why there are so > many Miken or > Worth style Bats? ASA Bats & 1.20 Bats; with eight > different weights. > Then there is the manufactur’ of Fast Pitch & > Baseball Bats. > Miken bats are made in the US. Miken Technology is used in > the manufactur’ of Worth Bats. Worth Bats are made in > China. > 15.) Today’s Balls break Composite Bats quicker. More Bat > sales. (PROFIT) > > Just remember, in our earlier years, the only Bat weights > were 36 or 38 oz. The 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, & 29 oz Bats, > have increased the Batted Ball Speed (BBS), by 8%. Back in > the old days, there were only two Bat weights & not > eight. Only 1 style. > > The above & the fact that 40 & 44 cor Balls, travel > thru the infield 3.57 MPH faster. So, that is an 11 plus > increase in BBS. FACT: The game has changed do to R & > D. Sorry, but this “problem”, did not exist back in 1960 > thru 1996. > > When will seniors or the Major Softball gods, crack down on > Illegal Bats? Why in this modern age, has nothing been done > to stop this problem? (MONEY) Two Bats compared to Eight > Bats. Players buy ASA & U-trip Bats. Only real > different? (Graphics; Stiff or Flex Handles; a slightly > differ mold. > > B.) BALLS: The balls are why we have 2 styles of Bats. (ASA > & USSSA Bats.) > > 1.) A safe ball can be made. This ball can also, > perform well. > > 2.) In 1986 or so, the Surlyn Ball was used. This > Ball had a 53 cor & > > the Comp was in the area of 300. A “Mold > Injected Process” made > > Surlyn Balls. This is why Surlyn Balls had a > “ton of bounce.” > > 3.) Fact- in the mornings Softball travel much > better, than in the > > heat of the day. Softballs also,travel much > better once the Sun > > has set. > > 4.) Do to the New Testing at present, a Ball with a > cor higher than 51, > > is the Safest Ball that can be made at present. > As long as the comp > > is under 300 / 400, the SEVERITY INDEX (S.I.), > will be under 1200. > > If, the S.I. is around or over 1200, massive > damage & death can > > occur. > > 5.) At present a 51.4 cor ball with a 281 comp, S.I. > is 433. Back in > 1986 or so, the Hot Dots, were 53 cor 300 comp > Surlyn Balls. > > The Bats of that era were 36-38 oz Aluminum > Bats. > > 6.) Also, tested was a 49 cor ball with a 272 comp, > it’s S.I. is 769. > > 7.) ANACONDA SPORTS (A.S.) has the contract to make > Softballs for SS- > > USA. Last Aug, SS-SSA gave their ordered to > Anaconda, which order > 80,000 doz. That’s 960,000 Softball. Each > Softball is hand > stitched. One person can only stitch 72 balls per > day. (For one > > person to stitch 960,000 balls, it would take > that person 37.6 > > years.) > > 8.) Until 2003-2004, SS-USA did not have any > “real” contract to supply > > Tournament Balls. The local Area T.D.’s > furnished balls that were > > to be used. > > 9.) Fact- for SS-USA, to change to another ball, > SS-USA, would have to > > Break or change SS-USA’s present contract to > A.S. It would then > > take Anaconda Sports, 4 to 6 months to fabricate > all 960,000 > > Softballs. > > 10.) Fact- heat does affect Softballs. Always has > & will always be so. > > Get over it. BALLS with a COR over 51 are less > effected by the > HEAT. > > 11.) More testing on Balls are still go’ on today. > The final answer has > > not been derived as of yet. It appears that a > Softball with a cor > > of at least 51 should be used. If, anyone still > has any of the old > > 1986 Surlyn Balls, please try hit’ those old > Balls with today’s > > Composite Bats. > > 12.) Is the present day Bat & Ball combination > good for the game? Like > > it or not, the ruling Softball Organizations > & SGMA, are pushing > > for the change. Finally, ASA, NSA, USSSA, & > others are starting to > > listen to NOCSAE. > > > Because of the Ball & Bat combinations / Law Suites due > to Injuries, ASA is finally rethink’ ASA’s stand on > balls. Data proves that the lower cor balls S.I. are well > over 1200. If, 1200 will kill a player, does it matter if a > Balls S.I. is over 1900? That’s like be’ shot with a 38 > or a 44 Mag. You are still dead. (Kevin’s Yogism) > > > Here is a simple explanation.(YogiKev) > Right now on impact the bat is doing about 80% of the > flexing, and the ball about 20%. By reversing this, ball 80% > and bat 20% you can get the same type of performance with a > much safer ball. No ball is going to 100% safe at the speeds > they are travel’, but the impact force of the ball on body > parts can be reduced by at least 60% or more. > > > Again if the ball has a higher cor it will try to rebound > away on impact of a bone structure instead of trying to > drive through it. If it has a lower compression the impact > is reduced because it is softer. A Ball with a 525 comp, > will take 525 lbs of Force to compress a Ball ¼”. A Ball > with a 375 comp, will take 375 lbs, less force to compress a > Ball ¼ of an inch. > > > It is very important to understand this fact. In our youth, > the Ball did 80% of the work & not the Bat. > > 13.) ASA, is start’ new test’ with Bats & > Balls. ASA, has known that > their ASTM 2219, was greatly flawed. This is why, > ASA asked > > someone to come up with a solution to ASA’s > problem. Remember, > told their Bat Test’Lab to help out the Bat > Company’s when one of > their Bats failed. ASA gets $1.50 form the Bat > Company’s for every > Bat that has an ASA sticker. > > 14.) Today’s 40 & 44 cor Balls were designed to > be used in combination > with the (1996 to 2002) Aluminum Bats. It took ASA > & other a year > or less to notice that R & D, had throw the > Softball Game upside > down. > > 15.) Because of the New Test; Players Complaints; > NOCSAE; ASA will go > back to a revised 1.20 BPF. This will save Softball > Players MONEY. > Players will not need to buy an ASA & then a > ISA, NSA, & USSSA > Bat(s). 1 Bat. > > > Seniors do not require a Special Softball for Mid day play. > I do not remember in my youth, time was called & a hot > weather Ball was put into the game, after 11 AM. > > > Why is ASA, seven years later, finally listen’ to NOCSAE. > Info on Bats & Balls. Follow the MONEY. ASA does not > want to get sued. PERIOD. Over the last couple of years, > there has been six Law Suites (min), which went for over $1 > MILLION. > > ASA is request’ a change in their ball. Chang’ the ball > will then allow ASA to go back to the use of 1.20 BPF Bats. |
| Feb. 17, 2009 Gekle BUilders | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Threw it at the wall and It went splat......... Nice post Pork,already in retooling for 09 season most of the talk among my players is about hitting the ball down this year.That's a scary thought.balls that flew harmlessly over the fence will now be missiles through the infield or right at infielders or pitchers.Did we really make our game safer.I'm just guessing but by what percentage did balls in play increase by 30-40% are we safer.We install DBO to protect the pitcher than limit HRS for M+ a put the pitcher and the rest of the infielders in a more dangerous environment.I know this is all redundant but I think this is so obvious that Staff can't see it. Good luck all Ray |
| Feb. 9, 2009 Gekle BUilders | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: 50 Major Plus schedules making progress Good work Joe I am still working on additional info.should have it soon.wanted to move post to top. |
| Feb. 9, 2009 Gekle BUilders | Topic: Website comments Discussion: GOOD MORNING GEKLE BUILDER. Once again "Case Closed" I have know interest in conversing with you. Jack I hope you have a wonderful week as well. |
| Feb. 3, 2009 Gekle BUilders | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Ray from Gekle Builders Joe no thats not why i mentioned it.just thought you might want to know that he was on the short list of canidates. |
| Feb. 3, 2009 Gekle BUilders | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Somebody needs to say it! Wood you are right it is a 10 hr limit after looking again at the on-line rule book it is a 2008 edition.so it's worse than i thought it was!Thanks for the correction. |
| Feb. 3, 2009 Gekle BUilders | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Somebody needs to say it! Hey Joe did you get the contact info i sent you?You have to know that these guys are not going up without a fight, for someone to call ssusa and ask to be moved up,not happening.I don't think we would have come right out and requested a move up,but did not blink when ask to do so by ssusa.none of what i'm griping about has any thing to do with being moved up,it appears that the hr limit for M+ was put in to place to level the playing field for major teams moving up.it worked to the contrary for us,i think.hope to see you guys in july and we will be out west at least twice this year. |
| Feb. 3, 2009 Gekle BUilders | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Somebody needs to say it! Wood looking at the new rule book on-line it shows 12 HRS for M+ this year. |
| Feb. 3, 2009 Gekle BUilders | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Somebody needs to say it! after you have hit your quota you don't have to catch them they will be outs anyway.after which time you will see a bunch of three hundred pounders driving balls thru the infield,still think this is a good idea.ask a couple of infielders we played last year,not fun not safe. |
