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Feb. 21, 2013
WCMONSTA
31 posts
Monsta Athletics Senior Bats
Monsta Athletics launched its Senior Fossil a few weeks ago and have been a big hit. JK Inc and High Testosterone will be swinging Monsta this year. You can go to our FB page Monsta Athletics for more info and our website will be up late next week.

Carl
President Monsta Athletics
Feb. 21, 2013
WCMONSTA
31 posts
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Monsta-Athletics/111373965602134
Feb. 22, 2013
taits
Men's 65
4396 posts
Carl,
So where are these bats produced? They surely are not done at your Lynfall St
addy. But if actually produced in that city where this is do you or would you give a tour?
Thanks.
Feb. 24, 2013
WCMONSTA
31 posts
All the shells are being made by a top manufacturer in China and i personally hand build every bat to order. We will be moving to our warehouse in April.
Feb. 24, 2013
rlspls1974
Men's 60
56 posts
Monsta, Send one to tattooball...he and his testing partner Boodah will let you know if it's legit.
Feb. 25, 2013
tattooball
621 posts
I would be glad to test it, we are testing a new bat this week. The only thing the review will be very honest. Iam not going to be a shill for any company. If it is good I will say that, if not I will also say that.
Feb. 25, 2013
Paco13
374 posts
Another magic bat...does it sounds familiar. GSC, GSA...made in China...that is how the famous GSC started. Good luck.
Feb. 25, 2013
softball4b
Men's 60
765 posts
Monsta - I do not know anyone that works for this company. I do know players that are on a team sponsored by them, I have seen their bats at the tourneys. I cannot speak as to the effectiveness of the bat, but it is available. To the best of my knowledge most if not all of the Senior Bat (shells) are produced outside of the US.
Feb. 25, 2013
Marv19
Men's 60
446 posts
Come on guys if we are going to criticize products made in china we will have to hang up our phones, turn of our TVs and not start our computers. Companies have to start somewhere.

I like many of you watched the Daytona 500 yesterday and I bet many of you noticed the Autometer Stickers on EVERY CAR out there. In 1975 a very small company came to my agency and had what they called the best product on the market. It was unique and lived up to the hype but it needed representation to tell the story. We took on this product and worked it for the better part of the 19 years I was in that business. In the early days NASCAR’s Bill Franz Sr. told them to hit the road because in his words “Stewart Warner” was the best and that's all he would ever approve for NASCAR. If it wasn't for perseverance, a quality product and belief in the company Autometer tachs and gauges would not be on those cars. I'm proud to say I had a part in their success here on the west coast.

Carl demonstrated his Bats at our last tournament. We had him at an open field and he let the guys swing his bats for about 3 hours. To my knowledge the bat was received well. The Monsta as well as other Senior Bats are available from us at the tournaments. I believe in giving companies exposure because you never know when a new Autometer will be starting out.

BTW I do not know if the law has changed or not but when I was in automotive components could be shipped in and if assembled in the USA those products could be labeled "Made in the USA" that means a bat can come in without end caps and then put together by American workers and then labeled “Made in the USA”. Case in point MSD (another company I pioneered) circuit boards are still made in Mexico. The covers are cast in the USA and the two are assembled in El Paso. The product is labeled "Made in USA" I really suspect many of the bats we use have components made in other countries. Paco 13: Unlike the brand you mentioned I have actually seen and held this bat. Its not an enigma :O)
March 4, 2013
Navy
Men's 55
15 posts
Hi Everyone. I'm new to Senior Softball this year and am playing with a 55 major team. I'm having a great time I might add, super group of people I've been in contact with and played against over the last 8 months!!! I bought one of the Monsta Senior "Fossil" one piece bats about two weeks ago. I've been using it indoors during our winter league play and just returned from AZ playing a tournament. I have over 300 hits on this bat and in my opinion, it performs everybit as well if not better then the well known senior bats currently on the market. I took a chance and spent the $180 to see what it was all about. I will tell you that I've only hit the 44/375 Trump Stote balls with it, and I can assure you the ball jumps off this bat! So good in fact, that I put my Reebok in my bag and it is now my back up bat. Don't sell a new product short until you give it a fair shot. If you are a power guy, you won't be dissapointed. If you are a line drive hitter, I believe you will be very satisfied as well. I can only speak for myself, but if the bat holds up and keeps the same performance, I'll be a long time customer!
March 4, 2013
HJ
Men's 70
443 posts
Navy you would have more credibility if your profile on this site identified yourself.
March 4, 2013
crusher
Men's 70
403 posts
HJ, Agree, sounds like someone created a fake ID to push a product. Oh Well.... We see that a lot...

C
March 4, 2013
AZTOMC
Men's 55
107 posts
I met Navy at the Bullhead City tournament this past weekend. He is a very good player on a very good 55+ Major/Major+ team from Minnesota (I can't remember the name of the team, all I remember is the ass whoopin they put on us). Navy was hitting the ball extremely well with his Monsta bat. He brought it over and showed it to me and offered to let me use it in my next game. I unfortunately didn't take him up on the offer. The bat had very good feel to it, 27oz balanced nicely. He didn't try to sell me one, so he is on here just stating his opinion. Get some facts before you start spoutin off about something you know nothing about. Ya crabby ol farts. ;)

Tom Chilton
CJ&S Softball
March 4, 2013
taits
Men's 65
4396 posts
At least he tells you something about the bats That GBA core scammer product took a lot of players money or hold then to a non disclosure agreement for seeing a secret facility...lmao.
Maybe this will be a good start up. At least he \they are communicating and says something instead of hiding and yapping with promises that never come or came about.
Unless he is related to them.
But I think you were for him too Marv. whoops. Did not see this bat mentioned on your home page with the other 3 bats. Maybe I missed it.
March 4, 2013
crusher
Men's 70
403 posts
taits, we see so much in hype, and Hey I love hype. I just do not love it when people wants $200 to love it. Time will tell.

Crusher
March 5, 2013
mnmasters38
Men's 60
14 posts
Navy is a great guy. He plays in our indoor winter league, top defense and offensive player. He plays on our monday night senior team and play against him on Tuesday and Thursday Senior league. He plays for the Ancell 55 Major team out of Minnesota. AXTOMC is correct, don't judge someone because he didn't fill in his profile yet, Navy is a stand up guy and was just giving everyone his honest opinon of the bat that he has used. He's is as credible as anyone else on here.
Best of luck to everyone this upcoming season.
MN Masters 38
March 5, 2013
taits
Men's 65
4396 posts
You don't have to 'love' it but I'll bet you do use it. Beats the 299 or more bats.
That non warranty pricing I read was fairly reasonable.
Been 'hype' for most every new bat out here and on other boards. But it's the real world use feedback after it been used for a few months that I think rational people pay more attention to. BP is just that BP bot real situational use or performance. Give them about 3 months+ actual use and them lets see.
March 5, 2013
taits
Men's 65
4396 posts
There are many posters on here with little or no Id info, tis for me no real problem but it does help with say value to posts or if someone might want to contact them. There are a few on here I have met unexpectedly & still communicate off line. We even played against each other last year. It's really great to put faces to names even if they aren't real. But become real names later.
March 5, 2013
Marv19
Men's 60
446 posts
The fact that somebody is new doesn't automatically make them not worthy. I've been in marketing most all my life and I have seen little companies grow to do battle and like David and Goliath come out the better. I use to sell to skeptics like some on this board. When I had my agency I sold products from a little company that made clutches and flywheels. Being the former Sales Manager of Hays Clutches I knew first hand this company was going somewhere. The product was great but the owner and I differed on how to market the product sometimes. Even the name of the company had no meaning. He closed his eyes and opened the phone book and put his finger down and that was how McLeod Clutches was born. Or the name anyway. Dave Russell was selling steel braided hose and fittings in paper bags in a 7 x 10 office space in Torrance CA. I had to convince him to shrink pack the product and create a wholesale price schedule. A little over a year and a half later Russell Performance hit 1 million in sales. in 1977 I took on a little company in Irvine selling to body shops in a generic paper label bottle. Trust me there was nothing sexy about that package. Nice guy too. You may see him on TV from time to time his name is Barry Meguiar. I sold the very first red bottle of Meguiar's to the performance market. My point is keep an open mind. It’s the biggest asset I think I have. Always be open to new and innovative products and ideas. I have met Carl and he is very sincere guy. He has something that no one has. Its his floating inner barrel concept. (FIB) He is trying hard to make his little niche in this market. All that being said however we sell all brands of senior bats. Monstra is just one. To Scott: Yes I am familiar with the GSC bat. But I really don’t want to treat it like a cows third meal of the day. But I’ll share what I know anytime. Just not here. Pray for sunshine and we'll see a lot of you this weekend in Hemet.
March 5, 2013
rlspls1974
Men's 60
56 posts
Monsta: Take Tattoball up on his offer and dispell the FUD.

"I would be glad to test it, we are testing a new bat this week. The only thing the review will be very honest. Iam not going to be a shill for any company. If it is good I will say that, if not I will also say that."
March 5, 2013
5ToolsinOhio
Men's 50
160 posts
Does this bat come with a small knob or big knob?
March 5, 2013
Navy
Men's 55
15 posts
Hey guys, Just to clear a little air and some concern about who I am and more on the Monsta bat.
First - I have absolutely no connection what so ever with anything or anyone at Monsta Athletics, no relations, no friends, no phone numbers, nothing at all.
Second - HJ and Crusher, I can appreciate your input about not having my identity in order to create credibility. There is no info for me because I just signed up the day I posted the information and I didn't get that far to put the information about me in it. Even if I would have that information provided, it still wouldn't give me any credibility, because it's my first year playing senior ball and no one outside of the winter league I've been playing in knows me so it would be a mute point anyway. People who know me can attest to my ability, as a couple already have as I've seen on this thread.
Third - Thanks AZTOMC (who I just met at my first tournament), Your team has a bunch of great guys on it, look forward to seeing you all in the future, best of luck to you all! MNMASTER38, who I know personally from our winter ball, thanks for your input, not sure I deserve the kind words, but I'll take it none the less. Looking forward to playing on the summer team with you!
Fourth - Taits, I agree with situational performance on the field 100% However, if you aren't treating your batting practice as such, what's the sense in taking any. I'm using that bat during those session with the same situational performance in mind with every swing I take. I'm intentionally using this bat to get the numbers up on it to see what it has in the long run. I also continue to let other swing it as well during BP. My next bat, will be in the bag for game use only like most players.
Fifth - 5ToolsinOhio, it has the big knob on it.
We played three more games today. Seven players swung that bat for all three games and a round of batting practice before we got started, some power hitters, some singles hitters, and that bat is still producing, over 400 hits now!
I'm not trying to sell this product to anyone, all I'm doing is putting information out there that is factual. You all can chose to do with it what you want. Like I said before, this bat fits my needs perfectly, but the durability question is still unanswered, so I will continue to let it be a sacrificial lamb and let anyone who want to swing it to do so to see how far it goes till failure. I will continue to post as I have, hopefully this information is helpful. I look forward in my travels and playing time in the upcoming year, but more importantly, meeting everyone who plays this great game, best of luck to everyone this year!!!
March 6, 2013
taits
Men's 65
4396 posts
Navy,
For myself in BP it is only a hitting day with about 13 others. Is keeping the muscles conditioned eye hand coordination and all. Trying to place hit and and for distance.
Never have been good at dingers.
However with our group, balls are just thrown, not real Pitches as they would be in a game situation like I would prefer. Sometimes fast pitches and not for accuracy like I'd like. Only one gut thrown knuckle balls like I throw.
Along with using machines or T's as it were to throw them that's what I was referring to as BP being non situational.
March 6, 2013
Navy
Men's 55
15 posts
Taits,
Thanks for clarifying your BP post. I understand where you're coming from and should have been a little more in depth with my comment like I will for this post. I certainly didn't mean for it to come across the way it did, now that I read it again today. I also use it for the same purpose with the dimension of situational hitting thrown in as well. I think about runners on base and then look for pitches to hit. I look for the outside pitches to drive the other way and practice hitting the holes. I have a bit of power and also practice the home run swing. When I get that perfected, I'll let you know how I did it, but don't look for it any time soon, LOL! I know that most times you don't get game type pitches to swing at in BP so that poses a problem in itself. Our team is fortunate, I'm a pitcher, so when I toss BP I give them good pitches to hit and also mix in curves, knucklers, balls with backspin, moving them around the plate during thier at bat. It keeps me practicing my skill set, and gives them some game pitches as well. It has worked good for us, and I don't mind throwing BP for everyone. For me personally, I don't use machines if I can help it. Really seems to screw up my hitting.
March 6, 2013
taits
Men's 65
4396 posts
No problem at all.
The way I would prefer BP to be is game type pitches along with players in position to make plays even if no one is actually running the bases. But I haven't seen that in 10 years now.
March 7, 2013
Gideon60
Men's 50
42 posts
Our 50's AAA team has the fossil out of fresno ca.
It needs to break in but sounds good and has good pop.
Will be using it this weekend in fresno quigley park
March 7, 2013
DaddysPestControl
Men's 40
22 posts
I have played against Monsta Athletics/ High Testosterone a few time over the last few couple of months. These bats seem to be EXTREMELY HOT!!!! I know they have some big boys hitting with them but OMG. The ball seems to never come down. HAHA Where can I buy one of these bats? I diffently want one.
March 7, 2013
olie04
Men's 50
46 posts
DaddysPestControl,I assume you have played against this team while playing in the 40 age group. If that is the case,all 40's teams hit the ball that way, they are still young studs. I doubt the bat matters. Playing against Steele Sports in the 80's I used to say the same thing "That ball seems to never come down" It was not because of the bat they were swinging then either. Just an observation.
March 7, 2013
DaddysPestControl
Men's 40
22 posts
Your right in that aspect. What I have noticed is these bats are really hot out of the rapper and very durable. I have watched a few guys using these bats from other teams that are very small in stature and still hit the ball a very long ways with this bat compared to their other senior bats. Either way I still want to add one of these to my bag. I normally only get about 100-150 good hard hits out of my bats. I just want/ need more durablity if its possible.
March 8, 2013
DonB
38 posts
When I was on vacation in Daytona I tried to order a the new miken ultra11 2pc el from Kelleys. Because my home address was in Canada they said they would not send it to me there? I ended up ordering and getting the monsta fossil 2pc el sent to the resort I was at in Daytona(thank you Carl).I received it and was able to swing it at the Altamonte Springs softball camp.I let anyone who wanted the use it swing it.I'm by no means a smasher but after the first game I got a good a feel with this bat with three singles and a double,first single was fielders choice .Second game two home-runs,two triples and a hard line drive single.The third game,triple,walk,single and then two intentional walks.Last game two triples and three singles. Obviously I had a good weekend swinging the fossil.I won't say that it is better than the ultra11 but it sure impressed me and my team mates.
From what I read maybe Alan aka Tri18 can get one of these bats to compare to the other senior bats and give his input.

Don
March 9, 2013
Tri18
647 posts
Don,
I have not tried the bat yet but will be happy to put one through the paces and review it on here.
Alan
Team 1 Sports
March 11, 2013
tekdad
21 posts
Gentlemen of the softball world,

My name is Troy Elliott, I play 40 and over with Extreme Performance Audio from NorCal. I just wanted to add my two cents. The GSC Senior bat is for real! I was fortunate enough to swing the prototype a few weeks ago and found the bat to be one of the best performing bats I have ever used, hands down. I was watching some of the 50+ players hitting on a baseball field and some of these guys were hitting balls close to 400' . Unbelievable !! I was handed this rolled end painted bat that was lighter then I would normally swing, and proceeded to take 12-15 cuts. I hit several line drives that easily cleared the left center field fence that I believe was about 355' away. I have been inquiring about this bat and have been told that it has over 800 swings on it . This simply amazes me being that I have been partial to the Reebok that has been the most durable although my last one only lasted about 80 or so swings. In my opinion GSC is really on to something with this bat and they have one of the top hitters in the game in Dan Arevalos working with them. We're anxiously waiting for the release of this bat out here in Modesto , Ca. I understand the bats will be on display for player testing this weekend (March 16th) in Lincoln at the NSA senior tournament.... Thanks Troy Elliott
March 11, 2013
taits
Men's 65
4396 posts
Troy,
They have been saying this for about 4 years now. If these bats come to pass great, but so many have been waiting and even pre paid for one, had promises made to them about returns also yet to be fulfilled, you just joined the ranks of the promises promises Steve guy.
Who knows maybe these will come to pass yet.
March 11, 2013
HJ
Men's 70
443 posts
Troy, if you search this site you will find many old threads on this subject and taits summarized them well. To me until a bat has stamps on it from the sanctioning organization performance before that means nothing.
March 11, 2013
J R
183 posts
Sent email,and called.They must not want to sell to bad
March 11, 2013
J R
183 posts
I am talking about Monsta..They do not answer the phone or respond to email.
March 11, 2013
softball4b
Men's 60
765 posts
In my opinion - There are generic comments and not specifically related to any current or future bat. Remember this is a business. It you are comfortable with what you are swinging, don't change.

Claim - Individuals hitting a ball 400'. That is a long way. When I test a bat, I get my trusty roller out and mark off 300' - 325' - 350' anything beyond that is gravy. Unless I marked it off you won't hear me say that ball went X feet. I also use Google distance calculator and that is really accurate.

Claim - Prototypes are just that until it has met the standards set forth by the organizations. Till then, it is just fun stuff - if it has an approved stamp on it - then it is states not to exceed 1.21. No matter what, stamp or not, if it does not perform then nobody will buy it.

Claim - If a bat is manufactured with a one year warranty then a couple of conditions must exist for the bat to be profitable. Durability and performance. If the bat lasts less than 2,000 swings then there will be a 90 - 100% return rate. That means the bat probably will be priced in the $325 -$400 range minimum. I have no inside information, but I would expect there is a 100% mark up from manufacturer to the retailer and a 35-40% markup from the retailer to the consumer. Therefore cost to produce $65-75 - cost to retailer $135-150 - cost to consumer $200. One year warranty adds 75% to cost. Again, just my opinion.

Personal preference is the deciding factor on your bat of choice. I have a teammate who loves the Ambush, not my cup of tea, swings to light and he swings a 30oz. Others swear by Reebok, my bat of choice today, couple of others Miken, and 2 that are salivating for the stamped Dirty to be available.

Bottom-line - If you are spending your money for a bat, then buy something that you feel comfortable with in the box. Freedom of choice is what it is all about. Just be glad we have so many available options, because based on the number of viable bats on the market and the finite number of senior players, I feel somebody is going to bow out of the senior market within 18 months.

More power to those willing to invest their time, money and effort into producing a product.
March 11, 2013
tekdad
21 posts
Respectfully ,

Gentlemen , concerning the GSC bat . I was only given my honest opinion . I got a chance to swing the bat and think highly of it , it hit extremely well and seems not to have durability issues like the other bats I have swung . Another issue in the game is altering , some guys even modify senior bats .. Lol . Really ? This bat has a rolled end in it thus discouraging "easy" tampering . I know someone will come up with a way to get into this bat eventually ," they always do " however , why make it easy . These are huge issues to myself and most of the players I play with . In my opinion , a bat company that will sell you a bat for $ 150-250 and offer no warranty ,, you get even 300 swings ( which is something I have never come close to getting ) and the thing breaks is robbery . Or are we just plain stupid for giving them our money for an extra 40-50' ? True I don't know what happened in the past with customer service or who was involved but I do know the prototype performed extremely good , the same bat ( which was relatively new at the time) I swung is still in action and performing great , and I can attest that some of the guys that I heard from that have used the bat are some of Norcal's finest hitters , I have great respect for a couple of the GSC team members and consider their word gold, they are GOD fearing which personally in these times means much to me and last but not least , these other companies , Miken , Reebok , Worth and Combat have been selling us bats for years , and what ? you get a few hundred swings and toss it in the garbage then order a new one ? I personally can't wait for this bat to be released , I have 6 other senior bats in my closet that are cracked or broken , myself I don't toss them so I can remember what not to do with my hard earned $$ . Do what you got to do , I'm ready for a change . Thanks for your time and good luck this year .. Troy
March 11, 2013
0
61 posts

tekdad

When, where and how did you place your order?




March 11, 2013
tekdad
21 posts
To 0 ,

I started out playing All Navy softball in the mid 80's , 1988-1989 Classic Glass Softball San Jose , Ca , 1991-1993 Dan Smith San Jose , Ca, 1994-1997 Classic Glass .. 1997- 2006 married life , 2007 Underestimated 40 , 2009 12 Angry men , 2010 Class Act Softball 2011-2012 dnp 2013 Extreme Performance Audio ( if it happens )... Lol. Please don't hate on me , I only gave my honest opinion in a bat and don't claim to be a top player .. I hope that answers your questions .. Thanks , Troy
March 11, 2013
tekdad
21 posts
To 0

I misread your reply . I'm reading and responding from my iPhone and the threads are not easy to read .. Sorry .. Dan Arevolos would be the person to contact (530) 304-9816 . I heard they are having some of the bats to try in Lincoln , near Sacramento at a senior tourney this weekend . Man I'm too sorry for giving you my softball bio when you didn't ask for it ... Lol .
March 11, 2013
0
61 posts

tekdad

Did you order the bat?

How much does it cost?

When do you figure to have it in your possession?



March 11, 2013
tekdad
21 posts
To 0

Actually just took some swings with the prototype . Like I stated before , I have a a good friend who is new with the company and take his word as gold . I have had so much trouble with durability on the senior bats . In fact this past weekend my team broke 2 reeboks , a black and orange worth and an ultra 2 . This was our 2nd tourney of the year . Since I tried the GSC bat and know it's much more durable than the others , I'm sold and waiting for it to be released . It seems to be a great bat with weight options available. In case your wondering , there is no incentive for posts , just the truth to the best if my knowledge . I left a number on my previous post , so maybe give Rev a call and he can answer more of your questions . I'm a player just like you ... Troy
March 11, 2013
taits
Men's 65
4396 posts
Troy,
This is not the 1st bat to come out with the 'rolled end' as you describe.
Won't be the last I'd bet too.
Bill Gates and I discussed issues on bats, I sent him pics of bats I have that type of barrel end on them. That would be long before any bat was produced by GSC.
Lincoln will be another back door senior NAS event. They do some good ones but not bat checks either. Too bad they can't be more organized as to where they go instead of here and there. They have one in Vegas about a week after this one here but looks like an open roster event for 40,50, 60's. Not so good for the masses unless you like loading up...lol Ok, who doesn't try.
March 11, 2013
tekdad
21 posts
Taits ,

I see your from Fresno area , the past weekend tourney I previously spoke of was in Fresno . It was not very competitive . I don't think it was ssusa but some other affiliation . They allowed 2 he's per inning and singles after that . They used a ball called Spirit . A 44 core ball that didn't fly at all .. Anyway if your one of the players that had an issue with GSC , I would get in contact with them . I'm sure they will take care of you .. Troy
March 11, 2013
HJ
Men's 70
443 posts
Troy, as I said before, read the prior threads.
You are saying nothing that hasn't been said before. The reality is there are those who pre-ordered 3 or 4 years ago who have seen neither their bat nor their money back. Because of the history I wouldn't give them a nickel until the bat is sanctioned and they hand me one as I hand them my money. And I would wait until others report back on durability and performance after receiving a sanctioned bat. These threads also discussed the use of the word "God" and the credibility and word of those behind the bat. Old story.
March 11, 2013
swing for the fences
Men's 50
1006 posts
Troy, there was only one bat in that dugout... why wasn't the whole team swinging that bat... my team played them and no one was swinging that bat! FYI
March 11, 2013
olie04
Men's 50
46 posts
HJ, 3 or 4 years ago the company now known as GSC(God's sports Company) did not exist. You are referring to GSC, Gates Sports Company. Two different owners, Steve Mckinly for God's Sports , and Bill Gately for GSC (Gates).
Steve has never offered his bat for sale yet. He is doing it the right way,attempting to manufacture a product that will perform and offer a warranty. This has shown to be an arduous task. When the formula is right(prototypes reflect the quality required)they will be offered to the general public. This of course is contingent upon receiving a Senior affilliation stamp of approval. So by all means keep your nickel until you can exchange it towards a bat,if you so choose.
And as far as using the word "God" in a name of a company, just think of it as an acronym for "Got one done" and liken it to the first bat off the assembly line. Ollie.
March 12, 2013
tekdad
21 posts
To SFTF,
There were a few players as well as myself that took swings with the bat between games . There was a few prototype bats floating around Z3000's etc I recall and I don't remember seeing any of them being used during the games. I would think , correct me if I'm wrong that most players in a game situation would swing a bat that they are familiar with . And the fact like olie04 previously said the bat doesn't have a senior affiliation stamp might have something to do with it also . Once again , just my opinion ... Troy
March 12, 2013
Clean Up
44 posts

Oh boy....

Here we go again.....

The GSC wonder bat.....

Talk about beating a dead horse!

March 12, 2013
swing for the fences
Men's 50
1006 posts
That makes sense Troy, the way you were talking it was like it was out already.. I was watching the swings between games and it was performing like anything else in our bags... IMO
March 12, 2013
taits
Men's 65
4396 posts
This past weekend was cancelled, so yea it wasn't competitive at all. But one event before I believe went on. Not sure which weekend it was. These are "ASA" events with 52 cor balls. I call it a mom & pop, though because brackets are really mixed. But fairly good ones. Next week will be what this last week was scheduled for. The thread of rain was very real it poured Thurs, but it turned out to be great SB weather in the end had it come about.
As for the ball, not sure how you got a 44 cor since ASA is only 52 per them. something is amiss.
Am not a fan of that so called 'bat company', my concern is & was for the players who trusted them but were to date lied to and taken monetarily wise. That applies to those involved with it at the time. Not those who may just have come into it unknowingly as to what has transpired to date. I noticed quite a few new names\faces associated with it, but but that doesn't give them credibility or the other word they use on their web site.
I just hope they make good on what they have said in the past for the players sake as well as their own.
If you come the Fresburg LMK I'll go to the park to meet you unless I have a T in another town. I haven't played a ASA event for years because of the structures unevenness imo.
March 12, 2013
ju25
Men's 55
149 posts
44/375 balls are still legal in ASA. Starting next year it will be the 52/300 only, except for senior events, were the 44/375 ball can be used.

If my memory serves correct GSC came into existence in 2010. They produced the White Veteran. In September I ordered a White Vet, but they could not guarantee I would receive it before Winter Nationals(Oct./2010) so I cancelled my order and received my money back (thank God). They also had the GBA 1 piece with the flag on it, hot but terrible durability. Then came out with the 2 piece GBA , the one I swang felt good but lacked in performance. Steve McKinlay hooked up with Bill Gately(Gates) in January of 2011 to produce the solid core bat. They were going to use computers to produce these bats in China. Couldn't be done so they moved the project back to the USA. They use to report on here that they were having problems, but to remain patient. Bill Gately was let go from the company in March of 2012 and Steve took over the project. Steve use to report updates, but hasn't done so in a while . I believe Steve said he wasn't responsible for any bats ordered before January of 2011, but would send bats to these people, if and when they ever become available. The Spirit is an ASA bat.
March 12, 2013
cal50
Men's 50
286 posts
taits & Clean Up, please don't take what Steve is doing lightly with God's Sports Company. He does not quit. I too have been to the plant where they make the bats. I understand the doubting because of the history, but please just wait and see a little longer.

The bat will be out soon, very soon.
March 12, 2013
taits
Men's 65
4396 posts
I for one hope it get into the stores, but to date it has been a facade.
What ever come about, comes about. Or not.
March 12, 2013
cal50
Men's 50
286 posts
taits, I think you have to admit that you need to exclude Steve McKinlay from being a part of the facade, he has always done what he says. It is an enormous feat that he is pulling off. I hope that when it does come about that you will congratulate him.
March 12, 2013
Clean Up
44 posts

cal50

" I too have been to the plant where they make the bats."

THE READERS WANT TO KNOW!!!

TELL US WHERE (CITY & STATE) THE GSC BAT MANUFACTURING PLANT IS LOCATED!



March 12, 2013
cal50
Men's 50
286 posts
Clean Up, the address is right on their website. I have seen it first hand.
March 12, 2013
cal50
Men's 50
286 posts
We have hijacked Monsta's thread, should have a different thread for this.
March 12, 2013
Clean Up
44 posts

cal50

That address was checked out 1 or 2 years ago, by several readers on this board.

It is a P.O. Box

You will have give better info.
Tell us some details about the factory.

P.S. Another reader on this board claimed to have been at this mystery factory but refused to give location.



March 12, 2013
cal50
Men's 50
286 posts
Clean Up,
The address may have been checked out, but not very good. I still have that same address saved in my GPS when I went there.
March 12, 2013
Clean Up
44 posts

cal50

That address was checked out 1 or 2 years ago, by several readers on this board.

It is a P.O. Box

You will have give better info.
Tell us some details about the factory.

P.S. Another reader on this board claimed to have been at this mystery factory but refused to give location.



March 12, 2013
ju25
Men's 55
149 posts
I scrolled back to March and found Steves old post, Cal 50, maybee you could get Steve to update us with the progress on this bat. Here is his old post;March 12, 2012
Mac 21
3 posts


GSC Bats
This is Steve McKinlay. I play with Demolition GSC. For the record, I partnered with Bill Gateley over a year ago, first to perfect the Veteran bat being built in China, and ultimately to build a new bat in the United States. The process of building this bat has taken far longer than we originally anticipated, but it is far better than we could have hoped for. My motivation to get in to the bat business was because I was tired of spending thousands of dollars, and seeing my teammates spend thousands of dollars, on bats that were breaking. In the last month, it was discovered that Bill Gateley had been perpetuating misrepresentations about GSC without my knowledge. Bill is now legally disassociated from GSC completely. Since Bill’s departure, I have received multiple notices of faulty GSC bats sold and promises of replacement, that I had no knowledge of. I will honor those replacements. I am continuing the manufacturing process of the new Veteran Core bat. We will introduce it by May. We are gearing up for full scale production and inventory reserves so that we are ready for sales. I will honor any bat breakage issues for any GSC bats, past and future. You may contact me directly at steve@gscbats.com but I prefer you call me on our toll free number (888) 459-7040. My hope is that you will be patient as we bring this bat to market. It is 100% made in the USA, something we all can be proud to be a part of.
March 12, 2013
softballnuts
79 posts
cal50

It is interesting that when you were asked "City and State" your answer was to refer to a web site instead of just providing city and state names.

March 12, 2013
?
87 posts
cal50 Please provide us with the name of the person that escorted or showed you around the factory. Can you describe this person?

March 12, 2013
Clean Up
44 posts
cal50

What does the factory look like?
How many stories?
What color is the building?
What direction does the front door face?
About how large is the parking lot? 20 car? 200 car?
Who greeted you?
About how many employees do they have?
Are the manufactured bats being stock piled there?

WHY WOULD THEY BE MANUFACTURING BATS AND NOT SELLING OR TAKING ORDERS FOR BAT?



March 12, 2013
cal50
Men's 50
286 posts
I cannot and will not speak for Steve. But I have spoken with him and am pretty confident the bat will be out soon.

softballnuts, I am not sure why my reference to the website is interesting. The address listed on the website for all to see is Folly Road in Charleston S.C. I was there.

?, I sure could give you his name, phone number, email and a description but will not. Not sure what that has to do with anything.

Here is what I am saying...I have followed this saying little about it over the years. Steve has taken a pretty good bashing about it, but he is choosing to let his actions speak.

I have started businesses and know how hard it is. I am just suggesting that you have a little more patience, it is almost here.
March 12, 2013
cal50
Men's 50
286 posts
Clean Up, the factory shows up in google earth if you look that up. I have no allegiance to Steve nor GSC bats.

I am going to take an educated guess at answering your question.

I am guessing that they are not yet manufacturing bats nor taking orders until it is ready. To me, Steve sounds like the type of person who wants to get it right and I believe he is very close to doing so.
March 12, 2013
RIK56
Men's 50
120 posts
As a friend of cal50 i can tell you he has been there,this was last summer.I do know some more details that are very minor but i was asked not to say anything.the address is on the bottom of the website google it you will see its a small factory.I do believe they are trying to make this happen hopefully we will have a product before the season starts.
March 12, 2013
olie04
Men's 50
46 posts
Clean up, What do you look like?
Where do you live?
Are you male or female?
What diretion does your front door face?
How large is your driveway?
How many children do you have?
What team do you play for?

You are not identified on your profile so do you really exist.

Have you paid for a bat from Steve and not received it?
When his bat is done and for sale and your order has been delayed, then maybe your previous post would have some merit.
cal50 is just stating facts as he knows them. Don't kill the messenger. He is known by many on this board, Are you?
March 12, 2013
Snot Nose Kid
45 posts
cal50

I have reread your statements and I don't understand.

Statement 1)" I too have been to the plant where they make the bats."

Statement 2)"I am guessing that they are not yet manufacturing bats nor taking orders until it is ready."

So which is the true statement?


March 12, 2013
cal50
Men's 50
286 posts
Both are true, they have made several bats, just not manufacturing them for resale yet.

It is a process.
March 12, 2013
taits
Men's 65
4396 posts
Cal,
NO, I'd say he instigated it all, about 3-4 years ago. Find his post on here. But if you like the guy so be it we all pick our 'friends', and SOME are judged by that, not all.
My opinion.
March 12, 2013
cal50
Men's 50
286 posts
taits, I happen to agree with much of what you say on here, just not in this case. Take care.
March 12, 2013
Full Monty
79 posts
I just did a Google Earth on that GSC web site.
That address is in a shopping mall called "Merchants Center". This building is designed for only the purpose of Retail. Manufacturing of anything in a retail center is highly unlikely as it would be in violation of building codes.


March 12, 2013
taits
Men's 65
4396 posts
Full monty,
Unless that addy changed in the las year or so it's a po box drop. Cal,


Cal,
Do home searching on here.
March 12, 2013
cal50
Men's 50
286 posts
I need to apologize, I am off slightly on the physical address. Sorry for that mis information.
March 12, 2013
Omar Khayyam
1003 posts
GSC fans, I think we came to some conclusions when this topic was hot a year or so ago:

1. The new bat does not have to hit any farther than the U2, Ambush, Combat, etc. Not everyone is looking for the new "hottest" bat, and with a 1.21 restriction, there shouldn't be that much difference anyway.

2. The new bat can't hit much shorter than the hot bats, or a lot of guys for whom the tape measure is important will not be very interested.

3. If the new bat has durability, I mean real durability, that the manufacturer will even warrant for a reasonable length of time (like a year), and it costs no more than about $300, then it will sell like no other bat since the debut of the Miken. I'd buy one; so would my whole team; so would most tournament players I know. It will revolutionize the industry!

Now we just need to see it, use it, and see its claims validated. No need to set a debut date; those failures to appear have cost the company credibility in the past. Just start making it for sale and word of mouth will do the rest.
March 12, 2013
the wood
1087 posts
Omar:
The bat that you describe has been made, tested, analyzed, approved, used and raved about. This occured 6 1/2 years ago and they usually sell for $150-200 w/o a warranty. Personally speaking, I prefer to spend less and have no warranty because I've never had to replace one in the 1st year.
They are made in Canada at a real location. No one pays before they are 'on the market' and they aren't several months/years late on market arrival. Very well known people test them and give their feedback on them.
These bats are made by Combat.
Good luck to the guys who're expecting more.
BW
March 12, 2013
swing for the fences
Men's 50
1006 posts
I say to everyone on this subject.. why don't we all wait for GSC or Steve to release a statement that his bat is ready for orders or in stores.. anything else is just the Same BS!
March 12, 2013
taits
Men's 65
4396 posts
A whole Lot of BS for thought...but not all of it. Find the date for threads read 'em & you decide.

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March 12, 2013
Omar Khayyam
1003 posts
the wood, I agree with you about Combat's reputation. I bought one based on all the compliments on this site. It is a backup to my U2 which has been wearing like iron (thousands of hits already). I prefer the feel of the Miken, but I carry my Combat to every tournament as a "just in case" for the day my Miken finally says "enough"!
March 12, 2013
the wood
1087 posts
As long as it works (Ultra II) why change?
I only agree with Taits 50% of the time but he seems to be right on top of this one, IMO. I think that he's saying that GSC has not delivered yet, regardless of its name or who its CEo might be. I'd also say that he's been relentless in his pursuit of the truth.
I cannot fault a man for this.
BW
March 13, 2013
Marv19
Men's 60
446 posts
Hey guys, How about starting your own GSC discussion subject. This is unfair to the owner of Monsta Bats. If somebody came in late and they didn't know better they might think you guys were talking about the Monsta bat. I know its really easy to get off on a tangent but this one now is more about GSC than it is about Monsta.
March 13, 2013
SSUSA Staff
1306 posts
Great idea, Marv19 • THREAD CLOSED
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