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, Feb. 17, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: All you rule experts: Need your input..

Stick....you didn't post the entire rule that you quoted...you left out the part THAT FIRST HITS THE BASE... yes in that scenario it would be a live ball... in the above case the ball did not hit the base first I still believe it to be a dead ball
....below is the complete rule.....
L. When, while in contact with the base, the base runner is hit with a fair batted that first hits a base unless the umpire rules that the ball was intentionally interfered
with, or a fielder with, while attempting to field a batted ball.

EFFECT Sec 12 L-M The ball remains live with all runners continuing to be in jeopardy.

I found the e-mail for a UIC posted on the USSSA web site and I sent the scenario to him asking for an answer....If and when I get an answer I will post it here
, Feb. 14, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: All you rule experts: Need your input..

Stick, then you need to contact your USSSA UIC and have him explain to you why it is a dead ball... you keep citing a rule about the runner being hit while he is OFF THE BAG... pages 42/43 that you posted have nothing about a batter being hit while on the bag.... this is the 4th time I have posted this rule below

PEASE READ "E"... E. When an UMPIRE or BASE RUNNER is struck by a fair batted ball, before it touches a fielder or PASSES ANY FIELDER other than the Pitcher.
the effect of this play is
EFFECT Sec 10. A-F.
1. THE BALL IS IMMEDIATELY DEAD ... THIS IS ON PAGE 48

This rule is used for ANY RUNNER or UMPIRE that is hit by a batted ball BEFORE the ball passes a fielder it doesn't matter if he's on the base or off, it's A DEAD BALL if the runner is off the base he is out, dead ball and the batter is awarded 1st base... if he is on the base DEAD BALL batter is awarded 1st base...also in both cases runners advance only if forced to
, Feb. 10, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: All you rule experts: Need your input..

Stick, you are correct if the batted ball passes a fielder then hits the runner on or off the base it is a live ball play on... but in this scenario as you wrote above the fielder was playing DEEP ON THE GRASS how could the ball pass by a fielder before it hit the runner??? Im sorry but this is a DEAD BALL in EVERY organization.... again I will post page numbers and rule for you to read from the 2017 USSSA rule book.... if you have something different then please post the page number you are reading from
READ PAGE 48 2017 rule book....E and then the EFFECT IS #1
Sec. 10. BASE RUNNERS MUST RETURN TO THEIR BASES:

E. When an umpire or BASE RUNNER is struck by a fair batted ball, before it touches a fielder or PASSES ANY FIELDER other than the Pitcher.

EFFECT Sec 10. A-F.
1. THE BALL IS IMMEDIATELY DEAD 2. Base runners may be forced to advance if the batter is credited with a hit
as per “E” above, thus awarded first base, thereby forcing other runners to advance.
3. Base runners need not touch intervening bases when required to return.
ALSO ON PAGE 51/52 Sec. 3. THE BALL IS DEAD AND NOT IN PLAY:
P. When a base runner is off a base and is hit with a fair-batted ball before the ball is touched by or passes through the infielders.
Also page 50/51... THIS IS THE LIVE BALL RULE.. I think you are talking about... Sec. 2. THE BALL IS LIVE AND IN PLAY:...K. When a fair-batted ball strikes an umpire or base runner after touching a fielder or after passing any fielder including the pitcher/infielder.
, Feb. 8, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Batter Throwing a Bat

Brad25...actually there is a catch-all in the code of ethics front of the rulebook... Article 7: Not commit any act that could be considered unsportsmanlike conduct. I would definitely consider someone who has repeatedly been warned about releasing the bat toward the umpire and catcher to be unsportmanlike and a definite safety issue
, Feb. 7, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Batter Throwing a Bat

I umpired a mens senior league and had the same problem...this is a safety issue for the HP umpire and the catcher...I explained that I would have to eject him if he released the bat backwards toward me and the catcher... The player was a nice guy but just could not hold onto the bat... I did eject him that game ...the way he solved his problem was that he actually tied a cord around his wrist and the handle of the bat and after hitting the ball he would run down the 1st base line shaking the cord off his wrist and a couple times ended up with a bruise on his shins from tripping on the bat as he flailed it off his wrist...I let him play figuring he was the only one that could get hurt this way
, Feb. 7, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: All you rule experts: Need your input..

Garocket, I went thru all the live and dead ball situations also....since they just give 1 a runner hit by a batted ball before it passes a fielder... I would have to think they have the same outcome for both ... dead ball
, Feb. 5, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: All you rule experts: Need your input..

STICK...it was a 2016 USSSA book...and the rule you posted was of a runner hit by a batted ball "while off the bag" ...cuda 65's post was of a runner on the bag...in both situations ON or OFF the bag it is a DEAD BALL unless the ball had passed a fielder...below is the 2017 USSSA RULE with page numbers....
USSSA has the same rule for a runner hit by a batted ball on the base and off the base as far as it being a live or dead ball.... READ PAGE 48 2017 rule book....E and then the EFFECT IS #1

Sec. 10. BASE RUNNERS MUST RETURN TO THEIR BASES:

E. When an umpire or base runner is struck by a fair batted ball, before it touches a fielder or passes any fielder other than the Pitcher.

EFFECT Sec 10. A-F.
1. The ball is immediately dead.
2. Base runners may be forced to advance if the batter is credited with a hit
as per “E” above, thus awarded first base, thereby forcing other runners to advance.
3. Base runners need not touch intervening bases when required to return.
ALSO ON PAGE 51/52 Sec. 3. THE BALL IS DEAD AND NOT IN PLAY:
P. When a base runner is off a base and is hit with a fair-batted ball before the ball is touched by or passes through the infielders.
Also page 50/51... THIS IS THE LIVE BALL RULE.. I think you are talking about... Sec. 2. THE BALL IS LIVE AND IN PLAY:...K. When a fair-batted ball strikes an umpire or base runner after touching a fielder or after passing any fielder including the pitcher/infielder.
, Feb. 4, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: All you rule experts: Need your input..

STICK8....I haven't worked Utrip in a few years but as I remember, it was a dead ball unless the ball had passed a fielder...here is the rule read E and effect 1




Sec. 10. BASE RUNNERS MUST RETURN TO THEIR BASES:
A. When any foul ball is not legally caught.
B. When any illegally batted ball occurs.
C. When a proper batter is out on appeal for failing to bat in order.
D. When an offensive player is called out for interference.
E. When an umpire or base runner is struck by a fair batted ball, before it touches a fielder or passes any fielder other than the Pitcher.
F. When time out is called by the umpire.
EFFECT Sec 10. A-F.
1. The ball is immediately dead.
2. Base runners may be forced to advance if the batter is credited with a hit
as per “E” above, thus awarded first base, thereby forcing other runners to advance.
3. Base runners need not touch intervening bases when required to return.
4. Base runners must be allowed sufficient time to return when required.
, Jan. 27, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Penalty for offensive intereference

usually when I cant find a ruling in the SSUSA book I refer to ASA rule book because it gives a more thorough description of the rules....as I posted above runner who interfered is out and runner closest to home would be out if in the umpires judgement a double play could have been made

RULE 8 - BATTER-RUNNER AND RUNNER
Section 7. THE RUNNER IS OUT.
P. When, after being declared out or after scoring, an offensive player interferes with a defensive player’s opportunity to make a play on another runner.
EFFECT: The ball is dead. The runner closest to home plate at the time of the interference is out. All runners not out must return to the last base touched
at the time of the interference.

, Jan. 27, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Penalty for offensive intereference

interference is a judgement call by the umpire... If he calls it the player that interfered is out and then if in the judgement of the umpire there could have been a double play the runner closest to scoring is called out....below is the rule but it does not describe where the 2nd out should be called.... maybe STAFF could help out on this??

8.6 • WHEN SLIDING IS OPTIONAL - AVOIDING COLLISIONS
Sliding or diving into first base or the scoring line or scoring plate is permitted only to avoid a collision with a defensive player. This is an umpire’s judgment call and is not subject to protest or appeal. A player may slide or dive into second or third bases, or when returning to any base. A runner must make every effort to avoid colliding with opposing players while running the bases or sliding or diving. If in the umpire's judgment a runner misses a base to avoid a collision, the runner will not be called out. If in the umpire’s judgment the runner fails to avoid a collision with a defensive player involved in the play, the
ball will be declared dead and that runner called out. All base runners except the batter will be returned to their previous base unless forced to advance. If in the umpire’s judgment the runner's collision with the defensive player
involved in the play negates a double play, the umpire may award a second out.
, Jan. 16, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: 2017 Significant Rule Changes - Penalty for non-compliance

Staff....brb headed to the dictionary (analogous) lol
, Jan. 16, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: 2017 Significant Rule Changes - Penalty for non-compliance

Steve, I think Staff mis-read your question on the defensive player ( Question: If the defensive player's foot slides onto the line separating the two bases and touches both, is the batter-runner out or safe? ) if the defensive players foot happens to slide onto both bags and the throw beats the B/R he is out and Staff I have a question on your answer to part (2) if the CR fails to report in and the error is not caught until after the 1st pitch isn't he still in jeopardy to being called out on appeal if he is illegal.. Rule 8.5(5) An illegal courtesy runner on base is committing a continuing violation and may be called out upon appeal at any time while on base or, if he scores,prior to the first pitch to the next batter...
, Jan. 11, 2017
B.J.
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Interference

Texas... great explanation.... I also disagree... the runner did nothing wrong and is exactly where he is supposed to be in the baseline... the defenseive player (F4)in this scenario has to go across the bag and throw around the runner... the part about "A base runner must avoid a fielder making a play." is when he is attempting to field a ball...what if in this scenario the runner did attempt to get out of the baseline and ran into the throw as the fielder was attempting to throw around him? would this still be interference?
, Jan. 7, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Taping of bat handle.

it's illegal ...below is the rule.... G. Shall have a safety knob of a minimum of ¼ inch protruding at a 90-degree angle from the handle. It may be molded, lathed, welded or permanently fastened. A "flare" or "cone" grip attached to the bat will be permissible as
long as it is a commercially manufactured flare or cone. Taping into a cone will be considered altered. The knob may be taped as long as there is no violation of this section
, Jan. 6, 2017
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Umpire Hit by a Batted Ball

8.2 • BATTER BECOMES A BATTER-RUNNER
C. When he bats a fair ball even though it strikes another player, umpire or
their attached clothing or equipment.
1. If the runner is hit with a fair batted ball while touching a base, he is not
out. EFFECT: The ball is live or dead depending on the position of the
fielder closest to the ball. If the closest defensive player is in front of
the base runner hit by the ball, the ball remains live. However, after the
runner in contact with the base is hit by the batted ball, it shall be the
same as hitting the ground. Since the ball remains live, the defense is
free to make whatever plays are available. If the defensive player is
behind the base runner, the ball is ruled dead, the hitter is awarded a
base hit and runners are advanced only if forced to advance.
2. If the runner is hit by the ball while off base and before it passes an
infielder (excluding the pitcher), the ball is dead and the hit runner is
declared out. The batter-runner is awarded first base without liability to
be put out.
8.2(1) • CATCHER OBSTRUCTING
, Dec. 12, 2016
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Scoring of Runs - Question concerning interpretation of Section 5.7

BillC.... if you are talking about this part of
5.7 NOTE: An appeal may be made after the third out in order to nullify a run.
No there is no contradiction because it is describing these 3 scenarios...

B. No run shall be scored if the third out of the inning is the result of:
1. A batter-runner being called out prior to reaching first base or any other
runner forced out due to the batter becoming a batter-runner.
2. A runner being put out by a tag or live ball appeal play prior to the lead
runner crossing the scoring line or touching the scoring plate.
3. A preceding runner is declared out on appeal involving a force play.

your scenario was diferent because you had a thrown ball that went out of play so therefore the run scored from 2nd
, Dec. 10, 2016
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Scoring of Runs - Question concerning interpretation of Section 5.7

Paul, if a runner leaves the bag to soon on a caught fly ball and was heading back to tag up and the ball is thrown out of play before he gets back the runner must still return and touch the bag before advancing on awarded bases...failure to do so puts him in jeopardy of a dead ball appeal by the defense for not tagging... Returning to touch a base missed or one left too soon must occur prior to an award; therefore, on an overthrow the umpire
should hesitate in making the award while watching what the
runner does. If the runner shows no intention of returning
to touch a base missed or re-tag a base left too soon, then
the umpire should make the award.





, Dec. 9, 2016
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Scoring of Runs - Question concerning interpretation of Section 5.7

STICK, its been a while since i've worked U-trip but I think they count returning to the bag as 1 bag awarded if the throw went out of play before the runner returned?
, Dec. 9, 2016
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Scoring of Runs - Question concerning interpretation of Section 5.7

runner is out... he must go back and tag up before advancing
, Dec. 8, 2016
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Triple Play or Not? - Help with call

Stick...the only reason they thought they had 3 outs was because the HP umpire initially made a quick and incorrect call of the runner on 3rd going home.... so if you made the incorrect call causing the defense to believe they had 3 outs...you then would change it and award both runners home?
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