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March 28, 2021
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Scoring line

this is why I do not like a scoring line unless the line is the width of the scoring plate.. a runner who MISSES the scoring plate BUT passes it and then continues to the dugout would be out ONLY on appeal because he actually passed the plate/line..

a runner who does not pass the scoring plate/line has not yet fulfilled his duties on advancing to the next base and therefore should be called out when he enters the dugout for abandoning his base (see SSUSA rule 8.1 below & ASA rule 8.7 U)

this is no different than if after the hit the runner took a few steps off 3B then decided to take a R turn and enter the 3B dugout

SSUSA
8.1 • TOUCHING BASES IN ORDER
The base runner must touch bases 1st , 2nd , 3rd and "CROSS" the scoring line or touch the scoring plate in that order.

ASA
RULE 8 THE RUNNER IS OUT.
Section 7. U. When a runner abandons a base and enters the team area or leaves live ball territory.



March 28, 2021
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Scoring line

Randall i should have wrote... unless he was tagged BEFORE he touched on or passed the scoring line
March 28, 2021
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Scoring line

Randall.. the scoring line has nothing to do with the call unless he was tagged AFTER he touched on or past the line and in your OP that didn't happen.. I would have the runner out for abandoning his base as soon as he entered the dugout an appeal is not necessary
March 16, 2021
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: I'm sure I got it wrong---What would be the right call

Michael... INTERFERENCE is on the offense... OBSTRUCTION is on the defense

March 14, 2021
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: When sliding is NOT an option

Michael.. I don't believe SSUSA will do that since they basically have the same rule which I posted below..

One of the problems with senior ball especially league ball is that they play with the extra infielder (MI) who is just a few steps from 2nd base and when the batter hits a ground ball the MI moves directly to the bag and many times plops themselves right in the middle of the bag waiting for a throw from an infielder which causes many of these collisions

8.7(4) • AVOIDING COLLISIONS
A runner must make every effort to avoid colliding with opposing players while running the bases. If, in the umpire’s judgment, a runner misses a base to avoid a collision with a defensive player, the runner will not be called out. (See§8.6.)
March 13, 2021
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: I'm sure I got it wrong---What would be the right call

Michael, I don't think this scenario had anything to do with a defensive coach, I believe it was the 1st base coach for the team at bat..

just for info. when the defense does hinder a runner it is called OBSTRUCTION .. also any the awarding of bases on an OBS. call is the judgment of the umpire and a runner does not have to make an actual attempt to advance to be awarded an extra base or bases

Hi Nancy
March 9, 2021
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: How to handle ejected player

MB .. well that seems harsh if you are batting more than 10.. I could understand an out every time that spot in the batting order comes up...

then that means 1 of 2 things... either make sure you have a sub available... or make sure that none of your guys pisses off the umps... lol
March 9, 2021
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: How to handle ejected player

MB...I'm not sure on their exact rules... but it could be that a certain number of players are needed to field a team.. for example 9 and an ejection causes that number to dip below 9 then that would be a forfeit
March 3, 2021
B.J.
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: COVID 19 PROTOCOLS

well said Tim
March 2, 2021
B.J.
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: COVID 19 PROTOCOLS

staff.. well said
March 1, 2021
B.J.
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Commit line abuse

at top of home page.. click on Tournaments go down 2 for RULES ..
March 1, 2021
B.J.
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Commit line abuse

T2... 1.37 & 8.3 J .. yes I see that.. with the wording (first base and any other base(s)) ... it shouldn't say any other base(s) because it couldn't be 1st and 2nd because that would make it an IF situation and a live ball

it should just say 1st or 1st and 3rd..







March 1, 2021
B.J.
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Commit line abuse

T2 .. I disagree.. and I don't believe I ever agreed with wayne..lol..

the definitions of 1.37 and 1.41 are for 2 totally different scenarios...

1.41• INFIELD FLY.. defines the possible IF situations for bases loaded or runners on 1st and 2nd with less than 2 outs

1.37 • INTENTIONALLY DROPPED FLY BALL... defines that a fielder cannot drop or let drop a line drive or a fly ball with a runner only on 1st or runners on 1st and 3rd



March 1, 2021
B.J.
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Facial Injuries

Good advice and good luck healing
Feb. 28, 2021
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: I'm sure I got it wrong---What would be the right call

franjan.. yes you are correct.. "IF" the runner had tried to advance I would have had a dead ball as soon as the coach kicked the ball and called the runner out.. BUT in your OP the runner never attempted to advance
Feb. 27, 2021
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: I'm sure I got it wrong---What would be the right call

per your OP the runner beat the throw and did not advance on the kicked ball.. I'd have the runner safe since the kicked ball apparently didn't stop the defense from making another play... depending on whether there were previous problems with the coach.. I would give him a warning or even a possible ejection for unsportsmanlike conduct
Feb. 27, 2021
B.J.
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Commit line abuse

Webbie .. I don’t think tweaking a rule will help an umpires bad call... but if it was to be tweaked how would you tweak it?
Feb. 26, 2021
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Rule interpretation

as stick mentioned the actual wording of the rule is important.. I have a question for you if the rule does say he must veer to the L or R if a play is being made on him to AVOID A COLLISON .. why would you call him out for going to the bag when the fielder was pulled off the bag by the bad throw.. maybe going to the bag avoided the collision with the fielder going after the bad throw? also if the throw pulled the fielder off in the opposite direction then technically there was no longer a play being made on the runner at the base




Feb. 22, 2021
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: When sliding is NOT an option

T2.. it's just good to have a NICE debate back and forth
looking forward to many in the future.. stay safe
Feb. 22, 2021
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: When sliding is NOT an option

turning2 yes you are correct we have been around for a while.. and trust me I'm still trying to teach Dave the way softball rules should be written with no GRAY areas ...lol...

I understand Rule 8.7 (4) and have called runners out numerous times for INT. ... my point is the OP did not give enough info. for just 1 and only 1 answer.. the OP didn't say what the position of the fielder was on the bag and where the throw was at the time of the collision..

you never want tunnel vision on here when reading posts.. remember a fielder that is standing on the bag (and not positioned like a 1st baseman) without possession of the ball or waiting to immediately catch the ball is obstructing the runner from the bag..

so if in my judgment the fielder was on the bag and was immediately receiving the ball and was run into.. yes I would have INT... if the fielder was on the bag and was not immediately receiving the ball and was run into I would have OBS. here's what is forgotten in senior softball sometimes.. the base actually belongs to the runner it's the safe haven.. a fielder making a play is suppose to catch the ball and cross over the bag and touch the bag as they cross over it... way to many times a fielder camps out on top of the bag waiting for the throw

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