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Oct. 9, 2019
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Is it a double play

TOMAR... you are making this harder than it should be.. The runner can leave the base on FIRST TOUCH of any defensive player .. so if the runner was standing on the bag at the time of 1st touch there would be no need to tag up.. If he stepped off the bag and then 1st touch occurred he would then have to tag up... I hope this helps
Oct. 8, 2019
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Is it a double play

TOMAR77 ..
the batted ball that was in flight and went off the foot of the pitcher never touching the ground and then caught in the air by the 2nd baseman was a legal catch therefore runners can advance at their own risk on 1st touch which was the pitchers foot... I posted the rule above but here it is again..

8.4(8) • WHEN RUNNERS CAN ADVANCE AT THEIR RISK
RUNNERS ARE ENTITLED TO ADVANCE with liability to be put out:
D. When a legally caught ball is FIRST TOUCHED.
Oct. 7, 2019
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Is it a double play

timmyb.. just in case you ever have a rules dispute in the future.. ALWAYS ask for the site UIC he is the head umpire in charge of the tournament.. many site directors have never been umpires and may not know the rules as well as a UIC should
Oct. 7, 2019
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Is it a double play

I meant to post the below rule yesterday..

8.4(8) • WHEN RUNNERS CAN ADVANCE AT THEIR RISK

Runners are entitled to advance with liability to be put out:

D. When a legally caught ball is first touched.
Oct. 6, 2019
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Is it a double play

timmyb.. I'm not sure what you mean by didn't tag correctly? do you mean they thought he left to soon? if they thought the runner had to wait until the catch they were wrong..

if the umpire saw the ball go off the pitchers foot and up into the air not touching the ground... why would he call the batter out at 1st base.. the batter should have been called out on a caught fly ball by the 2nd baseman..

and yes if the batted ball hit the pitchers foot and went straight up into the air all runners can advance on 1st touch



Oct. 6, 2019
B.J.
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Initial Coin Flip Rule

i think ya should go with rock.. paper.. scissors
Oct. 6, 2019
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: is the runner out?

Tim.. thx for the clarification I wish you had gotten involved with the same question back in june
Sept. 28, 2019
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: is the runner out?

wayne.. I don't think I've ever said this to you but you are right the rules committee needs to look at this rule and write it so there is a direct and clear answer as to what happens to the runner hit by a batted ball that goes off the pitchers glove..

you wrote..
(In the situation where the runner was on 2B (doesn't say if there were others on base) so I assume there wasn't others on base. The runner(s) weren't force to advance by the batter becoming a runner, so he remains at 2B.)

I disagree that the runner remains at 2nd .. if it's a live ball then all runners should be able to advance.

I still do not think the runner that was struck should be out.. Hopefully after the Vegas tournament Dave will look into this with the rules committee and give a definitive answer

I looked up the ASA rule... below is what they say..

Section 8. RUNNER IS NOT OUT.
F. When a runner is hit by a fair batted ball after it touches, or is touched by, any fielder, including the pitcher, and the runner could not avoid contact with
the ball.
Sept. 24, 2019
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: is the runner out?

wayne.. you never gave an answer as to what your call would be.. is the runner out when the ball tipped off the pitchers glove and then hit him ? where does it say he he is out in the rule book? and why were bases awarded during a live ball play?
Sept. 23, 2019
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: is the runner out?

stick.. yes I agree once the pitcher makes contact with the batted ball it's a live ball play on.. what I still do not understand is how the runner is called out and how bases are awarded to the batter and runners on a LIVE BALL PLAY ??

stick.. I just went back to June the 12th discussion and read it again..

YOU MAKE THE CALL.. Dave said.. The runner is out because he was struck by a live batted ball ...


Sept. 22, 2019
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: is the runner out?

stick.. I agree with you once the pitcher touches the ball it should be a live ball play on.. BUT we had a similar scenario a few months ago and Dave said it was a live ball but runner was still out??

I have no idea how Dave got to that because as jonesy stated where does it say the runner is out? and why are the batter and base runners awarded bases on a live ball??

I argued it and never really was told where it specifically says the runner is out in the rule book as it specifically does on ball that has not passed a fielder and hits a runner

Dave cited the 2 rules below to determine the runner would be called out??? hopefully Dave will explain it when he gets a chance


8.2 • BATTER BECOMES A BATTER-RUNNER
C. When he bats a fair ball even though it strikes another player, umpire or their attached clothing or equipment.

2. If the runner is hit by the ball while off base and before it passes an infielder (excluding the pitcher), the ball is dead and the hit runner is declared out. The batter-runner is awarded first base without liability to
be put out.

MISCELLANEOUS
9.1 • DEAD BALL
X. When a fair batted ball strikes an umpire or base runner on fair ground before passing or touching an infielder, including the pitcher.
EXCEPTION: A fair batted ball that deflects off the pitcher’s glove remains a live ball. EFFECT: The batter is awarded first base and runners on base advance one base only if forced. (See also §8.2 C.)


Sept. 22, 2019
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Make the Call

gonedeep43.. if in the UMPIRES judgement (not the catcher) the ball went over the batters head then it should have been ruled a catch and an out.. if the umpire ruled it a foul tip then that would be considered a dead ball and and an out only if it was the final strike

1.29 • FOUL TIP
A foul tip is batted ball that goes directly from the bat, not higher than the batter's head, to the catcher's hand(s) or glove and is legally caught by the catcher. EFFECT: The ball is dead on all foul tips and the batter is out if it is the final strike.

men’s and women’s 50+ divisions and men’s 55+ and 60+ divisions will be allowed only 3 balls and/or 2 strikes, and all batters will start with a 1-1 ball/strike count.
There will be a "waste foul" available to a batter after there are two strikes in the count.
Sept. 16, 2019
B.J.
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Rule question

yes curty is correct a pinch runner is a substitute player and may enter the game at any time
Sept. 15, 2019
B.J.
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Rule question

Mannjo.. below is the part of the rule you were asking about ..

8.5(5) • COURTESY RUNNER OFFICIALLY IN THE GAME
A courtesy runner must report to, and be acknowledged by, the umpire before play resumes. A courtesy runner may enter the game only prior to the first pitch to any batter.
Sept. 14, 2019
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Batting out of order

wayne.. wow you just keep digging this whole deeper.. are you sure you actually umpired???

"what you fail to understand" ...

is that it's impossible for 2 batters to consecutively BOO.. let me explain why.. if no appeal is made by the defense and a pitch is delivered to the second batter there is no longer BOO the team got away with it and no one is called out... AGAIN I posted the rule for you below

3. If the error is discovered after the first legal or illegal pitch to the next batter, or after the pitcher and all infielders have clearly vacated their normal fielding positions and have left fair territory on their way to the
bench or dugout area, the turn at bat of the incorrect batter is legal, all runs scored and bases run are legal and the next batter in order shall be the one whose name follows that of the incorrect batter. No one is called out for failure to bat. Players who have not batted and who have not been called out have lost their turn at bat until reached again in the regular order.


Sept. 14, 2019
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Batting out of order

lol... yes wayne you were correct on that part
Sept. 13, 2019
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Batting out of order

wayne.. In layman's terms.. in all my years of umpiring I have never seen anyone that can annihilate a rule like you just did...

below is a link to the SSUSA rule book please read it.. https://seniorsoftball.com/?page=7

(In layman's terms B4 is the improper batter thus he is ruled out.) .. WRONG .. yes B4 is the wrong batter BUT B3 is ruled out not B4 and yes B4 comes to bat again ..

RULE..(a) the player who should have batted is out.)

(Now if B7 batted in B5's spot in the order, upon proper appeal, B8 would be the next batter.) WRONG AGAIN..

If B7 batted in B5's spot upon proper appeal B5 is ruled out and B6 is the next batter not B8

RULE..(c) the next batter is the player whose name follows that of the player called out for failing to bat.
Sept. 12, 2019
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Batting out of order

AK4.. 1 other thing I should have explained about your 2nd scenario (Now same set up R1 on second, R2 on first, B4 bats in B3s spot and hits into a double play. When appealed correctly do you have three outs and B5 bats first next inning?) to get the 3 outs on the double play and batting out of order the DP would have had to been made at 3B and 2B because you cannot get the DP going 2nd to 1st.. only 1 out can be recorded on any batter or runner
Sept. 12, 2019
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Batting out of order

AK4.. No.. because B3 is charged with the 3rd out.. read C & D below

RULE 7.1
2. If the error is discovered after the incorrect batter has completed his turn at bat and before a legal or illegal pitch has been made to the following batter or before the pitcher and all infielders have clearly vacated their normal fielding positions and have left fair territory on
their way to the bench or dugout area: (a) the player who should have batted is out. (b) Any advance or score made because of a ball batted by the improper batter or because of the improper batter's advance to first base as a result of obstruction, an error, walk, or a base hit shall
be nullified. (c) the next batter is the player whose name follows that of the player called out for failing to bat. (d) If the batter declared out under these circumstances is the third out, the correct batter in the next inning shall be the player who would have come to bat had the player
been put out by ordinary play.

Sept. 11, 2019
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Batting out of order

AK4.. 1) R1 is still out.. B3 is called out and B4 bats again 2) yes you have the DP for 2 outs and B3 is called out and B4 leads off the next inning
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