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Sept. 9, 2020
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Happened to us.. follow up

Dave, a couple things.... there are differences in answers given all the time on umpire questions and many times a 2nd scenario is asked after the original question is asked ... it would be much easier for SSUSA to cite the rule from the book and explain if needed how they came up with that answer...

I tried to follow up and answer Omar's question and I even cited ASA's rule showing the difference and a possible gray area in SSUSA's rule... it would be nice to know if SSUSA thinks there rule is adequate, instead of just ignoring it...

BTW i do agree that sometimes the posts do get insulting and I have not done it in quite a while... maybe you should go back and read some of your recent posts when players/mgrs. ask questions about schedules, balls, locations, etc
Sept. 8, 2020
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Happened to us

omar, yes I have always IMO thought the rule as written leaves many gray areas for allowing different scenarios to occur... ASA usually has more specific wording of their rules and many times they give an effect of what they expect of the rule... below is there wording for a catch and as you can see it covers your scenarios and takes any doubt about what a catch is... one other thing ASA spells out and explains is how an OF running in and basically sliding and catching a fly ball in his belly is not a catch until the ball is in the grasp of the fielder’s hand(s) or glove. SSUSA just says that a batted or thrown ball caught with anything other than the fielders hand(s) or glove in its proper place is an illegal catch... there is another argument by the offense just waiting to happen saying that it's not a LEGAL catch

CATCH/NO CATCH:
A. A catch is a legally caught ball, which occurs when the fielder catches a batted, pitched or thrown ball with the hand(s) or glove/mitt.
1. To establish a valid catch, the fielder shall hold the ball long enough to prove control of it and/or that the release of the ball is voluntary.
2. If the ball is merely held in the fielder’s arm(s) or prevented from dropping to the ground by some part of the fielder’s body, equipment or clothing, the catch is not completed until the ball is in the grasp of the fielder’s
hand(s) or glove.
3. The fielder’s feet must be within the field of play, touching the “out of play” line or in the air after leaving live ball territory in order to have a valid catch. A player who is “out of play” and returns must have both feet touching live ball territory or one foot touching and the other in the
air, for the catch to be legal.

B. It is not a catch:
1. If a fielder, while gaining control, collides with another player, umpire or a fence, or falls to the ground and drops the ball as a result of the collision or falling to the ground.
2. If a ball strikes anything other than a defensive player while it is in flight is the same as if it struck the ground.
3. When a fielder catches a batted or thrown ball with anything other than the hand(s) or glove in its proper place.
Sept. 7, 2020
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Happened to us

chico... lmao
Sept. 6, 2020
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Happened to us

I agree with Dave that it's tough when you don't see the actual play... but the rule is very specific in it's wording .. and yes I take all rules literally as written

it does not say that the fielder glove has to impact the ground to cause him to drop it ...also no where in the rule does it state that it's a catch after holding the ball for a few seconds.. it states that the resulting release of the ball MUST BE VOLUNTARY .. and as you described the play the fielders release of the was the result of him tripping over the 3B bag..

I would have a no catch fair ball per your scenario as written

(NOTE: It is not a catch if a fielder, after he contacts the ball, collides with another player, umpire or a fence, or falls to the ground and loses possession of the ball as a result of the collision or falling to the ground.)
Sept. 6, 2020
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Pitchers stance and ball presentation

yes it is the pivot foot..

Sept. 5, 2020
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Pitchers stance and ball presentation

1) yes once the pitcher receives the ball from the catcher he must pause 1 second with the ball in front of his body before delivery ... no he does not have to show the ball during his pause..

2) the pitcher has a 2'X10' pitchers box and must have at least 1 foot in the box upon release of the ball.. he is allowed only 1 step in any direction after he takes his set position


Aug. 12, 2020
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Runner on 2nd helping batter with inside/outside pitches.

FOFO.. this is only allowed if you are playing in Houston
July 30, 2020
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: illegal courtesy runner

Dave, I'm not trying to bust your chops.... we've had this discussion many times before... I am very literal as to the wording of a rule

I realize it has been several years since I stopped traveling and working SS Tournaments (mainly because of the back room politics) but I seem to remember as the HP umpire I received an official score card / line up from each team and on that card I was instructed to keep the per inning score and then on the back of the card or on a little note pad I also was to keep track of all CR's coming into the game ... I WAS THE UMPIRE AND OFFICIAL SCORE KEEPER ... yes after each 1/2 inning I would double check the score with both teams scorekeepers ( if available) and then after the game I had to turn the official score cards back into you the Tour. Dir. ...

to me this is where the rule doesn't make sense per your answers of no official score keepers... RULE 8.5(5) specifically states that it is to be an AUTOMATIC CALL by the umpire as soon as the illegal CR attains the bag ... how can that automatic call ever happen if the umpire is not (taught/instructed) to be responsible and keep track of the CR's..

the original scenario by alan 23 did bring up a good question... yes the rule does say it's a continuing violation... but again there is no explanation or reference given in the rule book as to what happens for runs scored before the infraction is caught for us umpires that do not attend your rules committee meetings...

I do no not think my theoretical scenario is to far fetched.. many times I have umpired games especially lower rated teams that string together a few singles in a row... so if in "theory" your umpire was not tracking the CR's as he should be and the offense with bases loaded 2 outs and the illegal CR on 1st strung together 3 singles and the CR finally scored and then he is discovered to be illegal by proper appeal of the defense prior to the first pitch to the next (4th) batter per the rule ... do you still say that none of the runs count?? ... Thx BJ



July 30, 2020
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: illegal courtesy runner

Dave, thx for the well explained answer... and yes it does explain clearly what happens with the illegal CR...

"BUT"... it never gives ANY explanation anywhere in the rule on what to do IF there were to be a couple of singles or walks and runs score.. in theory you could actually have 3 consecutive singles have the CR finally score and per your explanation then have a legal appeal before the pitcher makes a pitch to the 4th batter and all the runs would be wiped off the board... also if that were to happen do these batters come up again in the next inning since they should not have batted in the 1st place

in the future I hope you and the board of umpires will
look at adding a reference/explanation in the rule book for ALL umpires to be able to read and comprehend your reasoning behind amending a rule.. remember we don't all go to Vegas and are not privy to your discussions and debates


July 29, 2020
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: illegal courtesy runner

Dave, I'm still not sure what the answer is on if the 2 runs score? your original answer was no they are taken off the board

I agree with Coop a pitch was made to the next batter.. I don't see how you can un-ring the bell of the next batter getting a double and scoring 2 runs..

please post what the Committee came up with on a remedy to have available to negate the results of the 2 runs (by legal appeal)


July 28, 2020
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: illegal courtesy runner

Dave, I'm still not sure on what you ended up with for an answer with the continuing violation..

you say ( If memory serves, at least a majority of the Committee believed, and voted accordingly, to have a remedy available to negate the results (by legal appeal) of any play involving a continuing violation illegal CR)

what is the remedy?? I do not see it in rule book.. I know ASA has rule 10 for umpires being able to fix an error BUT they have to do it BEFORE a pitch to next batter
July 25, 2020
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Batter pops up, doesn't run; defense lets ball drop to get a double play. Legal?

Dave, if it wasn't for redundant answers you wouldn't have anything to monitor ...lol... stay safe
July 25, 2020
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Batter pops up, doesn't run; defense lets ball drop to get a double play. Legal?

I agree with John Mc ... I have umpired in many different associations and although I may not like some of there rules I follow them .. remember this is senior softball and many players struggle with running and need a runner after reaching 1st base so this rule would be needed for them..
July 15, 2020
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Passing a preceding runner

nancy, all is pretty good in my area of Fl. ... most of us 150,000 + old people are keeping up the distancing and masks in stores ... and trying to be safe while playing league softball, pickleball and golf... scary


July 14, 2020
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Batter hitting 2 balls at the same time

I would have a dead ball no play.. foreign object on the field of play
July 14, 2020
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Passing a preceding runner

I meant to add this to above...

NOTE: An appeal may be made after the third out in order to nullify a run.

July 14, 2020
B.J.
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Passing a preceding runner

softball4b.... here's the actual rule on scoring of runs...

5.7 • SCORING OF RUNS
A. One run shall be scored each time a runner crosses the scoring line or touches the scoring plate, after legally touching all bases in proper order.
B. No run shall be scored if the third out of the inning is the result of:
1. A batter-runner being called out prior to reaching first base or any other runner forced out due to the batter becoming a batter-runner.
2. A runner being put out by a tag or live ball appeal play prior to the lead runner crossing the scoring line or touching the scoring plate.
3. A preceding runner is declared out on appeal involving a force play.

Dave, question on this part of the answer (There no longer is a force play at second base.")

so with the above scenario you had runners on 1st and 3rd 2 outs... B/R hits a ground ball to the OF and the runner on 1st just takes a couple of steps toward 2nd because the runner on 3rd scored easily for the 5th run... the B/R running hard makes the turn at 1st and passes the runner that never advanced to 2nd for the 3rd out just as the ball is being thrown to 2nd base for the force out... wouldn't the defense have a 4th out appeal to nullify the run..
June 24, 2020
B.J.
Topic: Bats
Discussion: USSSA bats

look above for BAT POLICY.. it gives a list of approved bats
June 7, 2020
B.J.
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Texas Softball

The Villages Fl. is opening all 5 mens and 2 ladies divisions starting tomorrow 6/8... we've had team practices now for 2 weeks.. hopefully we are able to keep going in this direction
May 22, 2020
B.J.
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Please, a story from anyone! Anything but Corona, Corona, Corona!

from an umpires view.. 1 game I will never forget.. it was almost 20 yrs ago and I had only been umpiring senior softball a short time.. I had HP in a championship tournament game.. bottom of the 7th inning and the team had the winning run on 3rd with 1 out.. the outfield came in a little so they could make a throw to the plate on a fly ball catch... the batter hits a long fly ball to left and over the OF's head.. or so the runner thought... the runner on 3rd started celebrating as he ran toward home crossing the committment line and then the unexpected happened.. the LF never gave up on the ball and made a diving catch running backwards for the second out.. the 3rd base coach and many in the dugout were yelling at the runner that he had to go back and tag up.. as soon as he recrossed the CL going back to 3rd I called him out.. WOW.. need less to say the team went ballistic with the MGR. yelling at me trying to tell me that the runner had to tag up and that going back over the CL was an appeal play... well the game went an extra inning and they just fell apart and ended up losing
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