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Sept. 13, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Avoiding a tag

Iíd have to see this play but the way you describe itóplay on.
You can only be called out of the basepath is if your avoiding a tag.
Sept. 5, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Can a player run for another one twice in one inning?

That is correct BJ.
Sept. 1, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Can a player run for another one twice in one inning?

MurrayW I believe your correct. In the scenario therei is nothing in the rules that would prohibit BJ from being courtesy runner in the following innings.
But Iíll defer to BJ on this. Heís the go to guy for rules
Aug. 31, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Can a player run for another one twice in one inning?

MurrayW, as to how the rule is now, to answer the subject question:
No. A player cannot be used as a courtesy runner twice (or more) in the same inning
To answer the question as described in your scenario:
Yes. If player A was previously used as a courtesy runner for player B, letís say in the 4th inning, he can legally go in to the game as a substitute in the same inning for player C.
Iíve been on teams that have done this several times. One time this actually happened. Iím using names on here for examples only:
BJ, being the speedy runner he is, unfortunately was not a starter. In the 5th inning he was put in as a courtesy runner for grayhitter and ended up scoring. Later in the inning Dave Dowell was up and got a two out single. BJ went in for Dave running at first as a substitute. Dave is now out of the game. BJ scored on a double by stick. Tim was up next and flew out to end the inning. Our manager Duke then told the umpire that Dave was going back in as a re-entry for BJ.
All legal according to that umpire, and a way to skirt around the CR rule. Iím not certain but I believe BJ cannot go back into the game as a sub. But can he still be a courtesy runner in the next inning?
Correct me if Iím wrong.
Aug. 19, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Assuming interference, other runner should be returned to previous base?

Continuedó Then after the play is over then I would award bases on what I felt the runner would have obtained.
Aug. 19, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Assuming interference, other runner should be returned to previous base?

BJ, that might be true. The way I learned it was if an umpire sees interference by the offense itís called right away and itís a dead ball. If itís obstruction by the defense I use the delayed dead ball signal and let the play play itself out.
Aug. 19, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Assuming interference, other runner should be returned to previous base?

Jgoff5113, to answer the questions in your scenario:
1) Yes, itís a judgement call
2) Yes, if interference is called the ball is dead, the runner at second who committed the interference is out and all runners return to the base they started at unless forced up.
The runner at third returns back to third, runner at first goes to second, batter-runner goes to first. Bases are loaded with one out.

Aug. 12, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: You make the call

Nancy, it was a combination of things that led up to him going off. 0-fer at the plate including a strike out, a couple errors at second & other calls he didnít like. Of course it was all mine and my partners fault. Maybe he had too much Red Bull or drugs?
Aug. 10, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: You make the call

Team A ties the game in the bottom of the 7th inning. After 3 outs the second baseman for team B is cussing out the umpire as heís going to his dugout. Umpire tosses him. Top of the 8th inning, the batter for team B who was up when last out was made in the previous inning starts at second. That batter happened to be the player who just got tossed. A player who is ejected cannot return to the game for any reason so obviously he cannot start the inning at second.. SSUSA rule for this:
Door #1) an out and no runner at second
Door #2) an out and previous batter starts at second
Door #3) no out and no runner at second
Door #4) no out and previous batter starts at second
Iím going with door #2.
(this actually happened in a young manís game I was umping last Saturday. By rule in this association teams are allowed to use a courtesy runner or a sub starting off the eighth inning. In this case a sub was put in)
What say you?
BJ, Nancy, Dave?
Thank you in advance.
Aug. 1, 2021
stick8
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: ISA Senior World Series Columbus Indiana

Titanhd, ours was the only one that mattered!! 😄
Some guys I played with and against in young man ball won the 50 majoróMichigan Mafia/Showtime
July 29, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Calling Time out

I had a play in a conference usssa tourney about 6 years ago. Two-man, Iím in the field. Man on first, 1 out. Batter hits a line drive up the middle caught by the middle infielder. Runner at first is off the bag. Middle infielder fakes a throw back to first and then flicks it to first base. The runner didnít get back to first in time. I look at my partner because any throw back to first is the home plate umpires call. He turns and goes back behind the plate, didnít make a call and didnít point to me. OMG, the argument that ensued!!! After things settled my partner and I then get together after the defense asked for help. My partner stated he called time out after the fake throw. We call both managers over and explain it.The batting team was obviously good with it. The fielding team was not good with it and they let it be known in no uncertain termsówhere I tossed both coaches.
Classic case of an umpire calling time too soon.
I cannot imagine any umpire anywhere who hasnít done that. It happens but in this game the stakes were pretty high.
July 26, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Calling Time out

Rightly or wrongly if the ump calls time the play is dead.
July 26, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Calling Time out

According to your scenario there was a play at third so for the umpire to call time might tell me he or she didnít look where that baserunner was.. I stress ďmightĒ because I didnít see the play live, only going by your description.
Sometimes it happens where time is called too early and in your scenario it sounds like it was.
Umpires have to see how the play plays out before calling time.
July 22, 2021
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: What's the call?

Fair ball!!
July 20, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: How to call a tag play when view is obstructed

Nancy what both you and BJ correctly point out dovetails into another issue that I sometimes encounter. Rookie and newer umpires who are players commonly make the mistake of thinking like a player instead of thinking like a umpire. A lot of times they get themselves in trouble doing that. Experience is the only teacher formthst.
July 20, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: How to call a tag play when view is obstructed

BJ, he did come out. Whether he looked back to see if the runner that came in from third touched home I couldnít say.
July 19, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: How to call a tag play when view is obstructed

BJ, I should have stated there was a runner on third, not first, my mistake. Good catch!!

July 19, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: How to call a tag play when view is obstructed

BJ consider this play I had last weekend at a menís tournament.
Championship game. 2 man system, Iím in the field. Top of the 7th, visiting team is down by 2 runs. Man on first, one out. Left handed batter is up who is extremely fast, a single is usually a double for him.
He gets a base hit up the middle. Runner at third scores. I get to the infield side of second and turn to watch him touch first which he did. Here comes the throw, second baseman scoops it up and turns to make the tag. The batter runner is jogging and easily gets tagged out. I ask myself what the heck is he doing. I look at my partner to see if he had a delayed dead ball signal. He did not. Then the arguing starts. F bombs galore by the batter runner. Heís tossed, good bye.
Coach (a good friend) comes out and asks if I saw what happened. I said I saw him touch first and I got into position fo call a potential play at second.
He says can you ask your partner if he was obstructed going to second.
Ok, I talk to my partner. He says he saw the whole thing. He wiped out after touching first and rolled right into the leg of the first baseman, nearly taking his knee out. I asked if was sure he didnít run into him first. He said he was 100% certain. No obstruction.
I didnít see it happen but what my partner saw is not obstruction. The batter runner tried to sell an obstruction call.
Whatcha think?
July 17, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: How to call a tag play when view is obstructed

Nancy youíre correct, you certainly donít hear those ever mentioned at a clinic. It has happened to me less than a handful of times. I call it a bail out!!
This dovetails into what BJ correctly pointed out about positioning. If you get into the proper position you should be able to make the call without any impediment. But saying and doing it can be two different things!!
It happens to everyone but in some cases certain umps think like players instead of thinking like umpires.
July 17, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: commitment line

LMR, that runner is out rightvwhen he recrosses the commit line going back to third.
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