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, Feb. 17, 2017
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: All you rule experts: Need your input..

BJ again I believe you are incorrect. Page 49 and 50 of 2017 USSSA rule book.
Rule 8. BASERUNNING
Section 12. BASE RUNNERS ARE NOT OUT:

L. When while in contact with the base, the base runner is hit with a fair batted ball unless the umpire rules that the ball was intentionally interfered with, or a fielder interfered with, while attempting to field a batted ball

EFFECT Sec 12 L-M The ball remains live with all runners continuing to be in jeopardy.

, Feb. 14, 2017
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: All you rule experts: Need your input..

BJ since the 3rd baseman was deep on the grass it obviously didn't pass thru him. But the scenario states the baserunner was in contact with the bag when he was struck. I cited the rule earlier in the thread. Here it is again:
RULE 8 BASERUNNING
Sec 5. BASERUNNERS ARE OUT under the following cicumstances:
C. When a baserunner is struck by a fair batted ball on
fair ground WHILE OFF HIS BASE and before it
touches a fielder or passes a fielder.
EFFECT. Sec 5 B-E. It is a dead ball immediately and the involved baserunner is out

It's on page 42-43 in the on-line rulebook

http://web.usssa.com/usssa/usssa-general/USSSA_SPRB_17.pdf

I maintain that if said base runner was struck WHILE IN CONTACT WITH THE BAG as in cuda65's scenario and before the ball passes thru or touches a fielder it is a live ball. I and other members of our crew (including some of us who work conference USSSA) have always called it this way.


, Feb. 10, 2017
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: All you rule experts: Need your input..

Bottom line: If cuda65's scenario was played under USSSA rules the result would be a live ball being that the runner on third was still in contact with the base. If he was off the base when the ball struck him then it would be a dead ball out since cuda65's scenario clearly indicates the 3rd baseman was playing well behind the runner on 3rd.
If a batted ball passes thru a fielder before it hits a baserunner (whether on or off the base) it's a live ball.
As I stated earlier SSUSA and other associations may have different rules on this.

, Feb. 5, 2017
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: All you rule experts: Need your input..

BJ, not sure what rule book that is but here is the 2017 USSSA rule on that:
Sec 2. THE BATTER BECOMES A BATTER-RUNNER INSTANTLY WHEN HE HITS A FAIR BALL.

EFFECT Sec. 2. The batter-runner is in jeopardy immediately:
1) if a fair batted ball strikes the umpire or base runner while off base before passing a fielder, other than the pitcher. The ball is dead immediately and the batter is entitled to first base without liability to be put out.

And also:

Sec 5. BASE RUNNERS ARE OUT under the following circumstances:

C. When a base runner is struck by a fair batted ball on fair ground while off his base and before it touches a fielder or passes a fielder.

If the situation described by cuda65 was in a USSSA game I have a live ball since the runner on third was on the bag when he was struck. Play on.
That being said, I do understand SSUSA and other associations have different rules.


, Feb. 4, 2017
stick8
Topic: Product review
Discussion: Cleats

Not sure if it's still true but last year I saw Adidas turf shoes at Meijers. They had them in black and another multicolor combination. Cost was $82

, Feb. 3, 2017
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: All you rule experts: Need your input..

The play as described by cuda65 is live ball in USSSA. Play on.
, Jan. 27, 2017
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Flip Flop Rule

Gonedeep43, it used to be in the play-in games the visiting team had their choice if they wanted to flip flo or not. During the tournament it was automatic.
, Jan. 27, 2017
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Penalty for offensive intereference

lb16 I stand corrected, you are correct. In the scenario the runner committing the act of obstruction would be out and the runner who started out closest to home would be out. Thank you for correctly pointing that out.
, Jan. 27, 2017
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Penalty for offensive intereference

1) I'd have to see the play but from your description I have a dead ball double play
2) Had a play in a local tourney: first and third, no outs. Line drive to short.(one out) Runner at first was caught off the bag. Upon the throw from short the runner intentionally deflects the ball (obstruction, dead ball out-two outs) By rule Runner closest to home is also out (three outs)
For an example Google Reggie Jackson 1977 (or 1978) World Series obstruction play. It's a perfect illustration of a blown call
In my humble opinion of course
, Jan. 11, 2017
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Interference

Had a play like this in a USSSA conference tourney a couple years ago. Man on 1st, one out. Grounder to second. Slight bobble, then flips it to second. Runner at first (6-4, fast runner with long strides) is sprinting all out to beat the throw. Middle man catches it and makes a quick flip,to first, striking the base runner in the hip. Ball carroms back to the second baseman.. Defense SCREAMS interference. I have nothing. Oh the argument I got !! In USSSA there is no rule that says you must slide or get out of the way. You simply cannot crash into a fielder and you cannot intentionally interfere with a defensive player making a play. In this case the runner had every right to try and obtain second base. In SSUSA I believe there is a rule that says you have to slide or get out of the way.
I will say if this same situation occurred in a regular loco yoco house league game I'd probably call interference/double play.


, Dec. 9, 2016
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Scoring of Runs - Question concerning interpretation of Section 5.7

BJ, you are correct!!
Umpire 14 you are correct as well!! In USSSA it's two bases from the time of the throw if it's from the outfield. Two bases from the time of the pitch if it's from the infield.
, Dec. 9, 2016
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Scoring of Runs - Question concerning interpretation of Section 5.7

BJ, you are correct!!
Umpire 14 you are correct as well!! In USSSA it's two bases from the time of the throw if it's from the outfield. Two bases from the time of the pitch if it's from the infield.
, Dec. 8, 2016
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Triple Play or Not? - Help with call

BJ, understood. If that was me I would unfortunately have to stay with my original call, no matter how wrong it appeared. I'd definitely have to eat crow but if you change a call then your opening up pandora's box for future calls and that would be a lot worse, if you get my drift. That being said, if this was a two man system, then you can ask the umpire who made the call for help from his/her partner.


, Dec. 8, 2016
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Scoring of Runs - Question concerning interpretation of Section 5.7

B94 a timing play is on a live ball. Example: Runners on first and third, 1 out. Fly ball to right field. Runner at third tags up, runner at first does not tag--is jogging toward second thinking there were 2 outs. Catch is made, 2 outs. After his teammates scream at him to go back to first, the runner heads back to first. Rightfielder throws to first, successfully doubling off the runner. If the runner at third touches the second plate or scoring line before the out at first is recorded the run scores. If not, the run doesn't score.
Here's one for you: Runner on first, 1 out. Batter hits a line drive to second. Second baseman catches it. Runner on first is caught dead nuts off the bag. The throw to double him off is wild and goes out of play. Umpire calls "dead ball" and awards the runner second base. The runner goes right to second without tagging first. Defense appeals the runner at first never tagged. Is he safe or out?
, Dec. 8, 2016
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Triple Play or Not? - Help with call

If I was umpiring in that situation I have 2 outs (as described) but the play would not have been over after the throw home and the catcher subsequently rolling the ball to the ump. Since your team went into the dugout thinking you had three outs the runners on 2nd and 3rd could have scored.
If the ump didnt see the runner on third cross the commit line before retreating back to third he cannot call him out.
, Dec. 8, 2016
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Scoring of Runs - Question concerning interpretation of Section 5.7

It makes no sense that a runner from second be credited with scoring a run when the third out was made by the runner at third.
, Dec. 3, 2016
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Sun rule

Maybe it's a different rule but the sun rule I'm familiar with is one where the sun is directly in the fielders, notably the pitcher, eyes.
, Nov. 29, 2016
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Why so many shaved senior bats

AFAIC, anyone who gets caught using a shaved senior bat during play that person ought to be banned from senior ball FOR LIFE.
, Nov. 21, 2016
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: rules

Dave, a line would work too!!
, Nov. 21, 2016
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: RULEING ON PLAY

DieselDan by baiting the fielder to tag you that was quite the heads up play you made!!
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