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June 14, 2020
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The rally is rescheduled for the next day June 20
June 11, 2020
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: What would've the call been?

Oz, since the runner on first didn’t touch second he would be out if the defense threw to second for the force, a dead ball appeal.or by going into the dugout area. Since that would make it two outs the run would count. Five runs in, change em up.
If the rule was you can go up by 5 runs the play would have the same result. If the team wasn’t up by five runs then theiir at bat would continue. You’d have runners at first and third with two outs.
May 21, 2020
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Please, a story from anyone! Anything but Corona, Corona, Corona!

Oz I painfully remember that. At the time I believe he was a police officer in training. He was practicing his arrest techniques on me. Another time him and his partner pulled me over after leaving the complex. His partner cuffed me and put me in the back seat. After being hidden Turk comes into the backseat laughing his a— off at me. Big dummy.
May 20, 2020
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Please, a story from anyone! Anything but Corona, Corona, Corona!

Game for first place in a Friday night house league. An all deaf team vs a local team who’ve been playing in this league for years. Stands are filled. I’m umpiring. Deaf team is batting, bottom of 5th inning up by 4. Runner on 1st, two outs. Batter gets a base hit to left center. Runner on first attempts to go to third. Left center fielder makes a perfect throw to third. It’s pretty close but I have the runner out. The deaf team, who had the third base dugout, all started going crazy! They were making all kinds of noises and sounds which I had no idea what it meant. Then they started with the sign language which I had no idea what that meant. After a minute it appeared they said their piece and then the their coach comes up to me and shows me his scorebook where he wrote in big bold letters, “you need glasses”. Then he proceeded to take his glasses off and give them to me!! The whole place erupted in laughter, including me.
You had to be there to appreciate how funny that was.
May 18, 2020
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Another cancellation.

Rumor has it our governor is going add another month for the stay home order. I hope I’m wrong. We’ll see how the lawsuit fares.
May 18, 2020
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Best changes to improve virus safety?

I’m in agreement with Benji4 on this. Implementing all these restrictions and new standards, especially sanitizing the balls, makes me wonder why even bother playing?
I played in a festival type tournament Saturday about 20 minutes west of Lansing. We had three 55 teams, two 50 teams and one 60 team. Two brackets of three teams. Two games against the other teams in your bracket then a single elimination after. No umpires, catcher called balls and strikes and everything else played itself out. Players tried their best to social distance but the way players engage on and off the field it wasn’t always evident. But it worked out perfectly!
I hope I’m wrong but it could be how softball rolls in Michigan for this season.
May 18, 2020
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Another cancellation.

Oz, Mike moved the Bobby Chapp Memorial tournament to that same weekend in Lansing.
You hear anything on the Shelby league?
May 14, 2020
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Ruling

Titanhd the runner on first going to second gets a cramp or puls a hamstring.
May 13, 2020
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Ruling

BJ. you’re correct, I should have specified blocked by defensive equipment.
On any ball thrown out of play by the outfield all base runners are awarded two bases from the time of the throw. As you correctly stated, In this situation the advanced runner,, R1, gets the award because you can’t have two runners on third base. R1 is awarded second and then third. B1 is awarded second.
May 12, 2020
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Ruling

R1 and B2 are both between first and second base when the outfielder throws the ball in. The throw ends up out of play or is blocked. Ruling?
May 10, 2020
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Net for Pitchers

L, that’s the $64,000 question!! Our local senior league has a rule that if you use a screen part of your body must be behind the screen to make a play. That seems to work out pretty well.

May 5, 2020
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: You make the call

Curty you’re correct unless it’s a force play. And that force could be at any base.
May 4, 2020
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: You make the call

Wayne I suspect you’re correct. All rules have an intent behind them but from time to time have to be reworded, revisited, amended or possibly taken out. An example that comes to mind is the dead ball appeal play. For years too many pitchers would screw up the actual mechanic of the appeal until finally someone had enough sense in their head to change the rule to simply ask the umpire.
May 4, 2020
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: DO RUNNERS RETURN

BJ, the rule you cited is the letter of the law.
To your first question I would answer yes. And that’s because as you well know a runner can take any route he wants to a base as long as he doesn’t pass another baserunner or go into his dugout—out of play. Being on the field waiting for a teammate to get him his glove means he’s still in play and can legally still go over and touch first base. It sounds strange but that’s how I learned it.
Hopefully Dave will chime in. But I will tell you I presented this scenario to my One Nation UIC who,presented it to a higher up at ssusa. He wasn’t quite sure but he thought that rule was put in for something to do with the 5th run on a fly ball. I presented a similar scenario to yours of bases loaded 1 out. Batter hits a ground ball to short and fearing a double play runs in the dugout before any play is made. By the letter of the law it’s a dead ball, he’s automatically out and runners go back to the bases they occupied at the time of the pitch.. So by the letter of the law you have two outs bases loaded instead of a potential double play and 3 outs. Imho, kind of a cheap way to get out of a dp. The higher up at ssusa did indicate they are going to revisit that rule.
May 4, 2020
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: You make the call

Curty, irunners on 2nd and 3rd with two outs. Batter hits a triple. 2 runs score. Pitcher appeals batter missed 2nd base. Umpire calls him out for the third out. The runs count because the batter wasn’t forced to go second (or third)
If the batter was called out for missing first then the runs wouldn’t count.
May 4, 2020
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: DO RUNNERS RETURN

BJ, i had the exact same situation about 3 years ago!! Exactly the same!! The batter from team A (an outfielder) got the bases loaded walk to force in the 5the run. He slowly jogged onto the field while one of his teammates brought him his glove then he ran into the outfield. What I did was watch him and didnt say a word. Team B came in and when all their players went into their team area I turned around went to my bag and marked down 5 on the scorecard.
After the game, which team B won, their scorekeeper asked me why I didn’t call the guy out in that situation. “You didn’t appeal it” was my answer.


May 3, 2020
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Net for Pitchers

Lowprofile, in ssusa sanctioned tournament play all pitchers are required to wear a mask. Any shin guards and any chest protector is considered optional.
House leagues are free to make their own rules on that.
What doesn’t get mentioned is that the pitcher has use of a pitching box10 ft behind the mound. A pitcher can legally pitch anywhere in that box as long as some portion of one foot is inside the pitching box. Being on the line is considered in the box.
I’m not a pitcher but I would be interested to read how pitchers feel being that far back minimizes the risk of getting drilled by a line shot up the middle.

May 3, 2020
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Net for Pitchers

In our senior league:
—Screens are optional
—Pitcher must have part of his body behind the screen when attempting to make a play
—Batter hits the screen twice in one at bat is out no matter the count
—Screen has to be centered directly in front of the pitchers mound
—If a defensive throw inadvertently hits the screen, oh well. Live ball

May 3, 2020
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: DO RUNNERS RETURN

BJ I think enough hairs have been split to render everyone with a lot of bald spots. lol
Let’s get back to your original scenario. My contention is the runs would count even if they appealed the batter missing first because your scenario started with one out. The batter runner didn’t enter into his team area or dugout before reaching first so the rule doesn’t apply.
I’m not certain what the right answer is for your last two questions as it pertains to the rule. Interesting scenarios however.
I’m inclined to believe that all play is live until the batter actually sets foot in his team area. He could be one step away from his team area and still run to first.
What you think?
May 2, 2020
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: DO RUNNERS RETURN

BJ, at the risk of splitting hairs here I did put acquiring in quotes. Technically the runner has acquired first (even though he missed the bag) and went on to second.
Being your situation was bases loaded and one out the runs count because the appeal would only make it two outs.
If your situation was bases loaded and two outs the runs would obviously not count. The team would only get credit for 5 runs.
I can agree the wording of the rule is a bit weird. I don’t disagree with anything you’ve stated and I concur on how you view the rule.
But when it says “fails to advance toward first base and enters his team area” it doesn’t specify what constitutes advancing toward first base. It only tells me the batter didn’t get to first and just went into the dugout.
IF the batter takes 4 or 5 steps toward first and then goes into his dugout is he considered advancing toward first? That’s a grey area in my view.
Yes I split hairs here. My apologies.

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