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May 3, 2020
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: DO RUNNERS RETURN

BJ I think enough hairs have been split to render everyone with a lot of bald spots. lol
Letís get back to your original scenario. My contention is the runs would count even if they appealed the batter missing first because your scenario started with one out. The batter runner didnít enter into his team area or dugout before reaching first so the rule doesnít apply.
Iím not certain what the right answer is for your last two questions as it pertains to the rule. Interesting scenarios however.
Iím inclined to believe that all play is live until the batter actually sets foot in his team area. He could be one step away from his team area and still run to first.
What you think?
May 2, 2020
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: DO RUNNERS RETURN

BJ, at the risk of splitting hairs here I did put acquiring in quotes. Technically the runner has acquired first (even though he missed the bag) and went on to second.
Being your situation was bases loaded and one out the runs count because the appeal would only make it two outs.
If your situation was bases loaded and two outs the runs would obviously not count. The team would only get credit for 5 runs.
I can agree the wording of the rule is a bit weird. I donít disagree with anything youíve stated and I concur on how you view the rule.
But when it says ďfails to advance toward first base and enters his team areaĒ it doesnít specify what constitutes advancing toward first base. It only tells me the batter didnít get to first and just went into the dugout.
IF the batter takes 4 or 5 steps toward first and then goes into his dugout is he considered advancing toward first? Thatís a grey area in my view.
Yes I split hairs here. My apologies.

May 2, 2020
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: You make the call

Larry P not very many teams would bother to appeal that play. But in this scenario you have the fourth out situation. If they appeal and the ump calls an out thenrun doesnít count.
Could be the difference in a close game.
May 2, 2020
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: You make the call

Let me preface this answer by saying this a state high school baseball rule, I donít think it applies the same way in softball, be it senior, one nation, usssa, nsa or USA. Forgive me for putting up a baseball rule, Iím just bored being on stay home until end of May.
The answer is it depends on which order of the outs the defense wants to take. According to the rule, as I was told, the defense gets their choice. If they choose to take the out at first as the second out of the inning and the out at home as the third out then the run counts. If they choose it the other way around the run doesnít count.
Kind of strange but Iím told itís in the book.
May 2, 2020
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: DO RUNNERS RETURN

BJ, maybe Iím mistaken, but based on the wording of the rule I would say the runs count because technically the batter, even though he missed first, didnít go to his team area before ďacquiringĒ first base.
Even if the defense appealed its only two outs.
May 1, 2020
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: You make the call

Runners on second and third, one out. Batter gets a base hit. Runner at third scores. Runner at second is thrown out at home. On the throw home the batter takes second. Next batter comes up. Before the first pitch the pitcher appeals the batter didnít touch first base. Umpire calls him out.
Does the run count?
April 30, 2020
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: New Virus-Regulations

Wood 1966 itís not a question of being afraid to play. Like you and most others Iím chomping at the bit to play. And I will be out there as soon as the go ahead is given.
To me sanitizing balls every inning seems a bit extreme. Pandoraís box just might be opening.
April 30, 2020
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: New Virus-Regulations

Although only a recommendation the fact wiping down to sanitize the balls every inning is even mentioned begs the question. Is it really safe to,play?
April 27, 2020
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Choking up on the bat, rule?

Oz I played both with him and against him. Opposing players got so mad at him for doing what he did. I marveled at it. When I played with him I asked him how he did that. He showed me. Easier said than done!!

April 26, 2020
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Choking up on the bat, rule?

Oz I used to play against a guy out of Cincinnati whoís nicknamed the ďdancing bear.Ē Heís a pretty good pitcher and being burly built he was a real strong hitter. When batting if he ever saw a third baseman playing deep on the edge of the grass he would sometimes choke up when the pitch was being delivered and execute this slow level swing with a full follow thru. The ball would dribble slowly toward third and there was no chance to throw him,out.
If you played in trying to take it away he would literally undress you. (Just like billyóďget off me ballĒ)
He didnít chop the ball nor did he stop his swing. Totally legal.
March 31, 2020
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: WALMART

AJC, my guess is people want to be ready in case you know what hits the fan.
March 25, 2020
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Can't sleep

BJ, where you stated that the ball is retrieved from the dugout (dead ball territory) and is put back in the infield is when an appeal can be made, Iím not certain thatís entirely correct. If Iím umpiring and k mans scenario plays out as he describes it
1) I have a dead ball
2) I move the runners up accordinglyóin this case the throw from the outfield two bases from the time of the throw. Runner at third scores.
Now if someone is retrieving the ball I will always make sure to examine that ball for any damage when itís thrown in. In the interim sometimes the pitcher will casually ask if a certain runner left early. I will tell them you have to wait until the next batter comes up and make your appeal before the first pitch. Iím thinking thatís what you meant to say.
Thatís the way l learned it.

March 23, 2020
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Can't sleep

Hat Man your scenario is a live ball situation.
When the runner crosses the scoring line or touches the second plate the umpire does not make a call.
A dead ball appeal would be after the ump called ďtimeĒ. The play is over and you have to wait until the next batter in the order is up. Before the first pitch the defense appeals to the ump that the runner left third early. Then the ump makes the call.
If you donít appeal before the first pitch to the next batter you cannot appeal the play.
March 23, 2020
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Can't sleep

Hat Man going by your description: Iíd wait until the play is finished. When the third baseman had the ball standing on the bag and yelled out ďump,runner left third earlyĒ and if I witnessed that he did, Iíd have an out. Itís a live ball situation.
March 21, 2020
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: COVID-19 Treatment

Player, a doctor told me that if you test positive then stay inside your home for 2 weeks and isolate yourself. Self quarantine if you would.
Right now there is no cure or vaccine available and Iím not aware of any pills one can take to combat this. The best thing he said was to try and eat a balanced diet, get enough sleep and most importantly, stay hydrated. Hopefully ones immune system will rid off the virus sooner than later. Unless something is developed thatís the best way to fight off the virus. It may take a few days.
March 19, 2020
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: missed Infield fly call

Wayne37 I could be mistaken but I believe thatís what the NCAA and MLB do in this situation.
But then if an NCAA or MLB umpire miss on obvious infield fly rule they should find a different look e of work.
March 18, 2020
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: missed Infield fly call

Alanó23, I am glad to learn you are trying your hand at umpiring!! If not done so already, Iíd like to see more players umpire, or at least try it. It could be at a lower level or even youth.
If you feel you missed calling an obvious infield fly rule it certainly can and should be called after the play is over. Going strictly by the situation you describe Iíd have the batter out and runners return to the bases they occupied. It would be runners on first and second with one out.
Always keep,in mind, In a situation like this you want to get it right.

March 16, 2020
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Corona Virus (COVID-19) ē Part II

I agree with bkb555 when he says they are trying to contain the spread. This is really just a precautionary measure since itís believed to be a contagious virus. Iím not certain I necessarily agree with those who say that the coronavirus is worse than the regular flu. Not enough is known about the covid-19 to make that determination. My guess is they say this because thereís no vaccine for it as of yet.
March 16, 2020
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Catcher already has the ball when non-forced runner crosses commit line; I assume runner is out?

K man and Dave are correct! That might be the only time on a throw to home a runner from third is out before he crosses the commit line.
March 16, 2020
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Corona Virus (COVID-19) ē Part II

Dbax, why would you say to that poster that you can understand if he doesnt give a crap about bimself? Thatís not a very nice thing to say. Just because he wants to play ball doesnít mean he doesnít care about himself and his health.
A better way to put it would be that by playing you take a risk of contacting the virus from others in the complex and potentially spread it to others. Most people would understand that. But to say he doesnít crap about his health is not nice to say.
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