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June 14, 2019
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: interpretation

And youíre correct about appealing, presuming itís to the other umpire.
June 14, 2019
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: interpretation

Uncle Mike, I didnít read Curtys post until just now. Iím not sure what he means by ďtagged, in jest while arguing the call.... Ē If it means a defensive player actually tagged him whilel he was arguing the call then heíd be out!!
June 14, 2019
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: interpretation

Uncle Mike, that umpire was incorrect calling R3 out for running out of the baseline when he ran over to argue the call. This tells me the play was still live and in order for R3 to be legally out he has to be tagged or forced (if he didnít acquire second).
Where you quote the 3 ft area that serves as the base path is correct but that only applies when a runner tries to avoid being tagged. When not avoiding a tag runners may take any path they wish to acquire the next base.
Even though it sounds sarcastic but should you choose to run around the pitcher in a circle on your way to second from first you wouldnít be out (unless your avoiding a tag) but I certainly wouldnít recommend it!!

June 13, 2019
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: interpretation

Going by the play as described:
óObviously R1 scored. R2 crossed the commit line and then went back across the commit line so he is out. So far its 1 run in and 1 out but the play is still live. R3 who ran across to argue with the ump should not have been called out for being out of the base path because according to the scenario, he was not avoiding a tag. Base runners can take any path they want as long as they arenít avoiding a tag or they donít go into the dugout. Even though he ran over to argue with the ump he still must be tagged out. Itís not specified that he was. Did R3 get to second? Did a fielder tag R3 as he was arguing? Did or when did the the umpire call time? These arenít specified.
óThe batter runner is definitely out for being tagged between first and second.
óBased on the scenario too many questions for me to make a definite ruling. What was decided appears correct based on the post although Iíd put R3 at second since it doesnít say he was tagged or forced out.



June 11, 2019
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Ruling

Had a play in a high school baseball game earlier this year. No one on base, no outs. Visiting team batting. Left handed batter executes a nice drag bunt. He tosses the bat toward the pitcher. Pitcher jumps out of the way of the bat. No call by home plate ump (Iím on the bases). Catcher gets the ball throws to first and hits the batter runner in the shoulder. I have no call at first. Batter runner was running on the inside grass. Still no call from my partner. Then the home team coach comes charging out screaming at my partner. After several minutes of arguing my partner came up to me and asked ďdid the batter intentionally throw the bat toward the pitcher? Ē My response was that I canít read his intent but I do you canít do what he did and he was also out of the baseline, take your pick.
My partner didnít call anything, prompting one of the most vulgar arguments Iíve seen. Of course he was ejected but not before he got the last word in. And I certainly canít blame him.
The point is intent isnít always the determining factor in making a call.
June 10, 2019
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: You make the call

I have to side with BJ on this one. As described in the opening thread I have a live ball. Since the pitcher made an attempt to field the ball it ďpassed thruĒ him and thus he would be considered a fielder.
June 5, 2019
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Ruling

Foul ball
May 29, 2019
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Dumb question: Is stealing a base allowed? Or advancing on a passed ball?

Getting back to the topic there is no stealing that Iím aware of in any senior softball sanctioned tournaments. While itís possible a senior house league somewhere may allow it the only association that allows stealing is ISA. And thatís only in young mans ball.
March 11, 2019
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Appeal Rule and Scoring

Wayne37, I have 2 outs on that play.
March 7, 2019
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Appeal Rule and Scoring

Retired2013, can you describe the actual play?
March 3, 2019
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Interference/Obstruction or Other

BillC48 in the original scenario the manager who argues his runner has the absolute right to stand on the bag is absolutely correct! As long as that runner does nothing to hinder or distract the fielder from catching the ball heís fine.
I donít think anyone with a lick of sense would vacate a bag to allow a fielder to catch a pop up and risk being doubled off.
Feb. 23, 2019
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Interference or incidental contact?

Omar thatís precisely how our league worked. Being an indoor league and the surface being carpet, no sane person would ever slide!!
Feb. 20, 2019
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Interference or incidental contact?

Cuda65, since there is no sliding in your league, hereís a suggestion you might wish to run by those who make your league rules.
Runners can overrun second and overrun third by veering off on one side similar to how you can overrun first. This way they can keep running and not have to stop on a dime like many senior players have difficulty doing and also avoid collisions.
For years I played in a winter indoor league (OZ40 on this board was a teammate) where we could do this and while unusual at first it ended up working out pretty well. The only thing you had to be careful was if you made a turn toward the next base you could be tagged out.
Feb. 16, 2019
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Interference or incidental contact?

ďIf in the umpires judgement the runners collision with the defensive player involved negates a double play, the umpire may award a second outĒ
If Iím reading this correctly, and BJ can correct me if he reads this, if a runner starts on first and is advancing toward second on a ground ball and slides into the second baseman or shortstop preventing a throw to first that runner is automatically out no matter what.
The tricky part is determining if a double play is called. If there is a fast batter runner could he be still called out even though in the umpires judgement he would beat the throw? Or being called out would be only for slower batter runners?
Feb. 5, 2019
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Interference or incidental contact?

BJ can correctly articulate the actual rule but itís my understanding in SSUSA base runners are to avoid making contact with a fielder who is attempting to field or throw a ball.
Going by your description the runner is out. The ump can call a double play if in his or her judgement the base runner committed interference.
Itís tough to make a call without seeing the play that you reference.

Jan. 19, 2019
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Base runner tagging up on a bobbled fly ball to the outfield.

Wayne37 Iím not certain what you posted in your first message is 100% accurate. To try and clarify hereís a situation:
Runner on third, no outs.
Batter hits a fly ball to left that hooks into foul territory
Left fielder runs over into foul territory and is still in play
He attempts to make a catch but the ball tips off his glove in the air
and then he reaches over and catches it.
Maybe Iím reading your post wrong and please correct me but are you saying the runner at third cannot advance until the actual catch is made after the tip?
If yes then I would disagree.That could be true in baseball but in slow pitch softball that runner on third can legally advance on the first touch (tip).


Jan. 12, 2019
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Base runner tagging up on a bobbled fly ball to the outfield.

Turbo bob, legal tag. On a fly ball (with less than 2 outs) a runner who is tagging up may advance once the ball is touched by a fielder
Dec. 24, 2018
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Courtesy runner

Dave, itís not an appeal play per se but the effect can be the same. IMHO, it shouldnít be the umpire that calls it with one exception at least for me.
Player A1 gets a base hit. Time is called. Player A2, coaching first, announces heís running for A1. He gets on first and heís legal. Unbeknownst to the team they send out player A3 to run. Player A3 announces heís running, Player A2 vacates the bag and player A3 gets on the bag. IfIím umpiring Iím calling that CR out before any defensive player asks, although theyíd likely be screaming about it!!

Merry Christmas to all!!
Dec. 24, 2018
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Courtesy runner

Dave that must have been a wild scene!! As an umpire and a hs basketball official I hate like hell to be the one to determine the outcome of a game. Sometimes you canít get around it but I much prefer to let the players do that. If I donít call something at the start or during the game Iím sure not going to call it at the end if the game. No surprises.
Wayne does raise a good point. Taking his point and your situation it begs the question: No matter what point of the game it is, is it proper for an umpire to call an illegal CR out before the defense appeals if said umpire knows with 100% certainty thatís the case?
Dec. 24, 2018
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Purpose of the rule

Curry that is a heads up play on your part!!
With no outs Iíd be kind of curious why your pitcher didnít throw home first after fielding the grounder?
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