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John Beasley
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| July 13, 2012 Beasley | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Should SSUSA ever bump a team? If there wasn't a Major+ classificaiton, where would these players be? Sure, they may be scattered on different teams in the beginning but don't you think that they would eventually migrate to a good sponsor and still dominate that classification - whether it's AA, AAA, or Major? |
| July 13, 2012 Beasley | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: DALTON GAME TIMES The Major+ teams should be - OKI, Hollis Apprasials, TSC/Howards Construction and Team 1 Sports. |
| July 13, 2012 Beasley | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: DALTON GAME TIMES I believe there are four 50 Major Plus teams. |
| July 13, 2012 Beasley | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: PLAYER RELEASE Gary, In most cases I can agree with you that a player leaving a team for another/better team is wrong. But I also feel that there are exceptions where leaving a team is justified - even though some people will be pissed off. A player leaving a team to play for another team in the same classification (Major+, Major, AAA, or AA) is wrong. And I can agree with you that the reasons for a team changing their schedule have to be considered. But that leads us back to the same quesiton - who decides and what's the process? |
| July 13, 2012 Beasley | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: PLAYER RELEASE If it were only that easy. Your word is your commitment but things happen that force you to make a decision as to whether you want continue being associated with your current team. The thread was started because it appears a team Bob P was playing on decided not to honor their word and go to the tournaments scheduled at the beginning of the year. Apparently Bob P decided to leave the team and now the team manager won't give him a release. So should Bob P be given a release anyway because the team failed to honor their commitment? Or should Bob P honor his commitment to the team even though they aren't honoring theirs? Or should he just leave and sitout the remainder of the SSUSA season? Why does the Manager (who failed to honor his commitment) get to decide Bob P's fate? |
| July 13, 2012 Beasley | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: PLAYER RELEASE LP, I can certainly understand your position. And I agree that someone quiting at a tournament puts everyone in a bad situation and there probably should be some type of delay in the player getting back on the field. But not every manager is like you. There are some out there that hold players hostage because they want to be a RICHARD CRANIUM. And because of the way things are at the moment, they appear to have all the power to do that. |
| July 12, 2012 Beasley | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: PLAYER RELEASE LP, I understand your situation and without knowing what Terry H. knew at the time, it's hard to assess whether I would make the same call. So I can't really say with I agree with the decision or not. I believe that Capt D5 has a good point - that there has to be process for players to be able to continue playing. All the power cannot lie with the Manager. My situation is a complicated one. I'm abiding by the SSUSA decision but I voiced my concern regarding managers having all the power. That's about all I can do. Maybe it will be discussed and maybe it won't, but I can't spend endless hours worrying about it. I'm moving on. I guess when manager(s) and player(s) split and can't agree on a release, the best process would be for both sides to present their argument and allow SSUSA to make a decision. |
| July 11, 2012 Beasley | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: PLAYER RELEASE LP, That's not exactly true. Without going into detail and whining, if a "manager" doesn't want to release you, then you're pretty much done. In my particular situation, I'm pretty much done with SSUSA for the remainder of this year. No big deal because I called SSUSA before our situation went down and I knew what the possibilities were. And I didn't have any more SSUSA tournaments currently scheduled. However, if things were like you say, I would be playing SSUSA before the beginning of the next softball year. But you know what, it's worth it sitting out a couple SSUSA tournaments. I'll be playing plenty of tournaments with the other associations. |
| July 11, 2012 Beasley | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: PLAYER RELEASE I can agree with this IF players aren't allowed to return to a team once released. That way a player couldn't get released to play a tournament with another team and then return to the original team. But if you don't put some controls on it, then you will have teams loading up for the Big Two. One control may be that the player has to play in X number of tournaments with the new team in order to be eligible to play the World or TOC with them. |
| July 11, 2012 Beasley | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Slowpitch, US National team vs US Futures team on ESPN2 at 8:00pm or ES2HD Hitting from the mound is too far for me. I was hitting from 2nd base and you wouldn't believe the WTP I had. Dude, I was sporting wood when I hit one off the fence. |
| July 10, 2012 Beasley | Topic: Tournaments Discussion: Combining M & M+ Swing, Come to Florida where there's 2 Major+ teams. If we get in a tournament and one of us doesn't go, the Major+ team gets to play the Major teams and give them a couple handicaps. I say a couple because not only do you have to give up runs or an extra fielder, but you have to play by their HR limits. But you know what, it's better than sitting home - drinking beer all day - watching NASCAR - and getting fat(ter). Why stop at Major+ and Major. Combine the AAA and AA also. While doing my points project there are just a few AA teams playing and since there are so few, most AA teams are getting lumped into brackets with other age groups. |
| July 10, 2012 Beasley | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Slowpitch, US National team vs US Futures team on ESPN2 at 8:00pm or ES2HD I hate to steal a line but I'm not as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I ever was. Thanks Alan, that one ball makes up for the 8 pop-ups and 10 fifteen hoppers. Looked like you were hitting a few bombs whne I pulled up. |
| July 10, 2012 Beasley | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Team Points I don't know if every aspect will ever be covered. I can try to impliment what I can, when I can. Going with a win, place, show system like you mentioned would probably work but I tried not to reinvent the wheel. The system I'm trying to adapt is being used in Conference USSSA and seems to be working. I didn't research some of their boards to see if there were a lot of complaints or not. But we have one problem that they don't have there - classifications. They give points for the Smokey Mountain Classic regardless of a team being Major, A, B, or E. If your part of the conference and play in one of their tournaments, you get points. I doubt a 50+ AA team is going to want to come to a tournament and play the Major+ teams by the Major+ rules. It's hard enough trying to get 50+ Major teams to play the 50+ Major+ teams without some type of handicap. I've talked with a couple sponsors about providing the points champion with some type of award. Just some initial discussions to float the possibility. And it probably won't be much until the points begin to mean something - IF that ever happens. I mean, it may just be something that I play with to occupy my time since I don't have a real life - so I'm told. |
| July 10, 2012 Beasley | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Team Points Scott, I hear your concerns and at some point they may need to be addressed. But for now everything is based on the number of teams entered and a teams final result. Lets say there are 4 teams. Each team starts with 12 points. The team finishing 1st gets an additional 150 points for a total of 162 points. Second place gets 110 points plus the original 12 for a total of 122. 3rd place gets 90 plus the 12 original points for a total of 102 and the 4th place team would have a total of 92. That I've seen in crunching the numbers so far, the same 4 teams haven't played each other month after month. Even if they did, they haven't had the same finishing order. But just for grins, lets say that Avenue Towing (only because I saw they name mentioned in another post) plays does play a National tournament every month and happens to play the same teams and finishes 1st in all those tournaments. Then shouldn't they get the points? If the other teams want to get the points for 1st place then they should find a way to win the tournament. But you do have a couple good points: 1. I don't get the results from the other associations..... yet. I'm doing some talking to one of the other associations now to see if we can work something out. But you know something, IF (and that's a big if) the points become relevant and the different associations want their tournaments to count for something more than just being a tournament, they'll make the information available. 2. It would be great to give a team credit for run scored or runs allowed. But then you'd have to find a way to rate the opposing teams offense and defense. That way if a team scores 25 runs against a team that is a great defensive team then they get higher points and if they hold a team that has a very high "team OB per centage" to a minimal amount of run, they would also get a higher level of points. But for now, it is what it is. And at least it's something - a starting point. John |
| July 10, 2012 Beasley | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Team Points Scott, The change should be in place now. Thanks again for point that oversight out. Our next tournament is in two weeks at Dalton. If you're going to be there, let me know when you play and maybe our schedules will permit some time to have a cold one and talk some softball or whatever. After that, I'm not sure where we'll be but it would be nice to put some screen names with some real names and some faces. Take care. John |
| July 10, 2012 Beasley | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Team Points Sorry Scott, I'm such a putzzzz. I'll see Alan this afternoon for some BP and let him know you said hey. I'll also change my board where unregistered users can view the messages but a person needs to register to post. You make a good point. Thanks again. John |
| July 10, 2012 Beasley | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Team Points I understand Alan. And yes, I'm trying to draw the discussion to that site to generate traffic. I know it gets to be a pain in the butt with all the different sites/forums. But that's why I that a central site would work well. It's going to take some time though. Basically what I replied there was that I didn't do the points for the associations. I did it because I thought it would be cool to rank the teams within a age group and then a classification. But could an association look at a teams performance in all the sanctioning bodies and base a classification on it - certainly. One of the things I found when doing the "system" was that you can't mix the classifications because a good Major+ tournament may draw 4 teams where the Major in the same tournament would draw 20. IMO ranking all the classifications together gives the lower classifications a leg up on the higher classifications. I concluded by saying that "IMO if a team wants to be considered one of the top teams in the Country, then they HAVE to play in the top classification. If you're happy with being a top team in your CLASSIFICATION, then so be it but don't confuse the two." Thanks for the feedback and I also hope things come togehter. |
| July 10, 2012 Beasley | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Team Points Responded to this post on the Senior Softball Central forum. |
| July 10, 2012 Beasley | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Slowpitch, US National team vs US Futures team on ESPN2 at 8:00pm or ES2HD Con, You have more softballs orbiting the earth then all the countries combined have satelites! I heard that if NASA couldn't figure out how to launch the shuttle, they were going to see if you could pitch it to someone and let them hit it into orbit. And I never said what I was doing on deck until you were kind of enough to tell everyone. Every team needs a batboy and I was just happy to be able to hang out at the ball park. I believe Kozak and Baker played with us that year. I think EJ was with us also but I don't think Ernie was with us. |
| July 10, 2012 Beasley | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Team Points For those interested, I started a project and have part of it finished. I've been working on a "Point System" for Senior Softball. Rather than repeat some of the info I have there, you can go to www.seniorsoftballcentral.com and click on the Points button. John Beasley Senior Softball Central Admin Team 1 Sports/Renegades |
