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Oct. 14, 2021
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Late arriving players to the game.

Thanks, BJ. I did a word search for several appropriate words, but not the word "added". Ya got me again.
Oct. 14, 2021
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Late arriving players to the game.

In our non-tournament league, any player who arrives to the game after the first pitch is eligible to play and is placed at the bottom of the batting order.

How does this scenario work in tournament play for late arriving players? Couldn't find anything about it in the rule book.

June 24, 2021
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Worth Prodigy glove

Dave, can the "mitt" be used by the pitcher in SSUSA play?
Is the pitcher considered a defensive position in SSUSA?

The current rules for gloves and mitts reads as follows:
3.6 • GLOVES
Gloves and mitts may be worn by any player. No top lacing, webbing or other device between the thumb and body of the glove or mitt worn by a first baseman or catcher, or a glove worn by any fielder; shall be more than 5" (12.70 cm) in length.
(Is the pitcher considered a fielder? He certainly is a player.)

and 6.6.J states:
J. The pitcher shall not deliver a pitch from the glove.
(This could be just a generic definition for the glove, or could be specific for meaning a "mitt" cannot be used.) Not sure how to interpret that rule.

I appreciate your clarification whether the pitcher can use a first baseman's mitt.


May 28, 2021
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Tag out of the runner

Runner is on first base. Ball is hit to second baseman who fields the ball with his bare hand and maintains control of it. The second baseman then touches the runner advancing to 2nd base with his glove hand that does not have the ball in it, but the ball is still in his bare hand. Is the runner out even though he was not physically touched by the ball?

Does the fielder have to physically touch the runner with the ball in order to get the tag out? I couldn't find anything in the rules specific to this situation.
May 21, 2021
Topic: Bats
Discussion: oes anyone use the Easton Rival or Demarini Uprising aluminum alloy bats?

My league only uses non-composite bats and am looking for anyone with experience using single wall, aluminum/alloy bats.
Interested in the Easton Rival or Demarini Uprising.

I've seen the Easton Rival ALX50 and feels good to me, but have nothing on the Demarini Uprising other than some reviews stating you hear a ping when the ball is hit.


Nov. 19, 2020
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Infield fly rule......

stick8, there are NO automatic outs from a dropped infield fly or pop-up. If the fielder recovers from the dropped ball, he can throw to 2nd for the out, and if successful, cannot try for a second out. The batter is safe at 1st base. If, instead, the fielder throws to 1st base for the out and is successful, the batter is out and the 1st baseman cannot try for a second out, and the runner going to 2nd is safe. It's like treating it as a "one out only" fielder's choice for all runners who are on any base at the time when an IF rule situation arises. We've had no complaints or arguments since we eliminated the rule.

And the game is still fun to play.

Nov. 16, 2020
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Infield fly rule......

It is because of all the reasons stated above that our public 60 plus league dropped using the IF rule over 4 years ago. All of a sudden, many arguments were averted, guys just played normal softball rules without it, and no one even misses the rule.

If a fielder drops the ball in a "IF situation", it's not on purpose and no one has ever pulled off a double play because of the dropped ball. We only allow one putout from a dropped infield fly ball.

Of course, in tournament play, knowledgeable umpires are supposed to be prepared for that. We are self umpiring in our public league.

Nov. 16, 2020
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Special rules for 80 plus and physically challenged players.

CAUTION: This is more than a 30 second posting. You've been warned, but please read it to the end if interested.

I'm in a public senior league (65 plus) with many players 80 plus. We are looking to expand our current considerations for the 80 plus and physically challenged players, defined as players who can hit the ball well, but are limited in running skills.

We currently use these rules so the game is safe, fun and competitive for them.

1. They do not have to play defense unless they want to, and are in the normal batting order which is not limited to 11 players.
2. An arc is drawn in the outfield between each foul line, 140 feet from Home plate. Outfielders must stay behind the arc until the ball is batted. Keeps them from squeezing in on the batters.
3. If the batter hits the ball into the outfield, the outfielder cannot throw him out.
4. The hitter cannot be the 2nd out of a double play if 1st base is occupied and a double play is attempted.
5. They can use a courtesy runner from Home plate, and just hit the ball without running, and the courtesy runner takes over from there.

I heard there was a new rule that they use in Florida for physically challenged players. An additional flat rubber 1st base is placed 30 feet from home plate. The physically challenged player would run to that base after hitting the ball. The fielder would still throw the ball to the original first base and runner is safe if he reaches the 30 foot base before the ball is caught by the first baseman, but is out if first baseman gets the ball before reaching the 30 foot base. If safe, a courtesy base runner could be used at that point.

This seems like an umpiring nightmare, but will work in our self-umpiring league where the 1st base coach is also the umpire. He just has to move for a good view for the decision.

Does anyone use this rule or one similar to it? If so, I would like the specifics of the rules governing this situation.

Also, if there are any other rules out there that give consideration on 80 plus and physically challenged players, I'd like to hear them.

Thanks in advanced for the feedback.
Oct. 11, 2020
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: What constitutes a batter's "full swing"?

The whole gist of this post is to hit the ball so it is not called a "half swing" or a "bunt" as described in scenarios 1 and 2 below.

The batter will be out as stated in 2019-2020 rules, Sect. 7.6.E. "When the batter bunts or chops the ball, or does not take a full swing when deliberately hitting a pitched ball." I have not found the term "full swing" defined anywhere in the rules.
EXCLUDING a downward swing (chopping) and only using a level or upward swing, consider these scenarios:

1. Batter wants to "punch" the ball just hard enough to get it over the infield and does not swing very hard and does not follow through after hitting the ball.

2. Batter wants to hit a slow ground ball in the infield in order to reach 1st base before the fielder can throw him out, and swings slowly and softly and does not follow through after hitting the ball.

The question is: At what point in the batter's level or upward swing does it become a "full swing" without being in jeopardy of getting called out according to Rule 7.6.E.?

Is it based on one or more of the following:
3. the forward travel of the bat?
4. the breaking or flicking of your wrist?
5. the follow through after the ball is hit?
6. how softly you hit the ball?

Umpires, please join in on this with the others since it will probably be an umpire's judgement call.


Oct. 9, 2020
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Middle infielder positioning

In tournament play for 70 Plus, using 11 defensive players (5 infielders), are there any restrictions on how far into the infield grass the middle infielder (or any infielder) can position himself?

Can he position himself in the shallow outfield, effectively becoming a 5th outfielder?

The only reference in the rules that I see for defensive player positioning is in Sect, 6.8.1, stating “The pitcher shall not deliver a pitch unless all defensive players are positioned in fair territory, except for the catcher ….”


Sept. 15, 2019
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Using a "no walks, strikes only" approach to shorten game time in a public league.

Responses to:

chico senior,
the focus of the question was to find out what, if any, penalties does anyone assess to pitchers who can't find the strike zone in a "no walks" situation. If there are none, then so be it. Just inquiring if there are any being used.

Nancy and ju25,
the 3-2 count approach would definitely speed it up, but now we lose the basics of the game which our players won't accept.

ju25 and mck71,
your thoughts about using 3 runs max per inning, and also using the 2 inning "reset" rule in combination would probably work the best. I would use the "reset" for the first 2 innings, then revert back to 3 outs per inning in order to save a little time at the beginning of the game and still keep the game the way it is supposed to be played.

We put everybody who shows up into the batting order for the entire game, and do not use the substitution/re-entry rule (typically have 14-16 guys show up). Tried the 1-1 count and no one like it. We can't control the number of errors that are made which extends the game, but that's part of the game, isn't it?

Thanks for the input.

Sept. 12, 2019
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Using a "no walks, strikes only" approach to shorten game time in a public league.

My league is a local, non-tournament 65 plus senior softball league, using slow pitch, high arc, self-umpiring, 9 inning game, no time limits.
Typical game time is 2-2.5 hours and we want to reduce that a little bit, and keep it at 9 innings.

I am aware of reducing the time by implementing the following:
No pitcher or infield/outfield warm-up throws after the 2nd inning, except for a new player entering the game.
All coaches/umpires have a spare ball available to throw back immediately to the pitcher if the pitched ball is not hit and gets away from the catcher, or is a foul ball.
Use a 4 run maximum per inning instead of 5, keeping last inning as an open one.

The one I want to focus on as a time saver is using a "no walks" rule, and the count starting with one strike. No balls are called at all.
I've seen a reference or two to public teams using this "no walks or strikes only" approach and would like some feedback on using this and how you handle situations where the pitcher is having difficulty hitting the strike mat (6 or more pitched balls missing the strike mat). Do you penalize the pitcher in some way, or just wait for him to settle down? I would think most pitchers would like the idea of having to throw just 2 strikes at the most to get a possible out, as opposed to purposely trying to just hit the edge of the mat knowing there is no penalty.
We don't use a time clock for our games, so administering a penalty by adjusting the time clock is not applicable.

Input from all players, and from umpires who handle games like this, is appreciated.


May 17, 2019
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Rules for Courtesy Runner from the plate in regular leagues (non-tournament).

Can you players in regular leagues who use a courtesy runner (CR) from the plate, mind sharing your rules with me?

We use one and currently our rules are as follows:
1. Plate is positioned 9 feet behind home plate, parallel with the 3rd base foul line, behind and to the right of the catcher's box.
2. CR must have his lead foot always on the plate, behind the front edge of it.
3. CR cannot leave the plate until batter makes contact with the ball. If CR leaves early with his foot off the plate, batter is out.
4. If CR leaves with his foot off the plate when the batter has a swing-and-miss (no contact with ball), batter is out.

I appreciate knowing what other leagues do when dealing with CR's from the plate.

Thanks in advance,

Jan. 11, 2019
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Base runner tagging up on a bobbled fly ball to the outfield.

Scenario is less than 2 outs, base runner on 3rd base. Fly ball to left field. Ball hits left fielder's glove then bounces up in the air and eventually is caught for the out. Base runner on 3rd is on the bag during the "bobble" and takes off as soon as the ball hits the left fielder's glove, but before the fielder secures the ball for the out. In SSUSA softball, is the base runner out for leaving the base before the ball was caught?

In baseball, the base runner is not out and can leave the base as soon as the ball hits the fielder's glove. (as seen on a post from a "Stump the UMP" web site titled "Tagging up on a bobbled ball").

So, in softball, is the base runner out for leaving the base early on a bobbled fly ball that is eventually caught after bouncing off his glove before it is eventually caught for the out?
Nov. 13, 2018
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Getting game ball back to pitcher in a quick manner

DieselDan, Real good idea which will work, as long as the pitcher doesn't complain about the on-deck batter being a distraction behind the catcher or at the back of the backstop.

CAT, yes, that will speed up the game, but my focus is on getting the ball back to the pitcher quickly to save time. Thanks.

coop3636, we are a local league whose start time is 10AM. No time limits on the game, but asking about ways to get the ball back to pitcher so the defensive players don't have a lull in the game because the pitcher doesn't have the ball.
One game only. Game is usually 2 hours for 9 innings, 0-0 count.
Last inning is unlimited runs.

Nov. 12, 2018
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Getting game ball back to pitcher in a quick manner

45621, no, we do not use a pitching screen. Good idea, though.

r4pitch, we are not looking to speed up the game by using a 1-1 count, as stated in the original post. We are looking for ways to get the game ball back to the pitcher in an efficient manner without having the catcher waste time fetching the errant balls that elude him. Many of our catchers don't have good arms (or legs) to begin with and time is wasted while they retrieve the ball. We want everyone to enjoy playing the game regardless of poor physical ability.

I thought using 2 new game balls and having the home ump put the 2nd game ball into play while the 1st game ball is being fetched, may shorten the overall time to get the pitcher ready for the next pitch.

Do any of your leagues use more than one game ball without the pitcher complaining about it? When using more than one game ball, when and how do you rotate them to get them in the game to save time getting the ball back to the pitcher?
Nov. 9, 2018
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Getting game ball back to pitcher in a quick manner

Our local Senior slow pitch, high arc league is self umpiring, plays 9 inning games using a 0-0 starting pitch count. Looking for ways to speed up the return of the game ball to the pitcher to shorten game time, staying with 9 innings and the 0-0 count.

What is done in tournament play and local league play to get the game ball back to the pitcher quickly during these conditions:
1. The pitched ball either hits the strike mat or the ground when the batter does not make contact (ball is dead).
2. When dead ball bounces away from catcher (think physically challenged player put into the catcher position) and he has to retrieve it.
3. Foul ball or any other ball that goes "out of play".

We are thinking about having 2 game balls, with the home ump holding the 2nd game ball and throwing it back to the pitcher under the above listed conditions. Once the other game ball is retrieved, the home ump gets it to use when the game scenario repeats itself.

Are your pitchers sensitive to strictly using the same game ball throughout the entire game (except for foul balls and other situations where the game ball is not readily available) and oppose using two alternate new game balls during the game?

Can the pitcher request another game ball if he "doesn't like the feel" of the one being used?

Care to share your thoughts?
Nov. 8, 2018
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: pitching tips

Youngblood19, I am a right handed pitcher in a local league and used the grips described by Vinny and Mike. Had real good control when gripping cross seams, and had a curve of about a foot to the left when gripped with the seams. I used a release with my palm facing up and did nothing fancy such as twisting my wrist, etc. to get the curve. Great advice.

Will experiment with gripping with the middle fingers to see what effect that has.

Nov. 7, 2018
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: pitching tips

VINNYG and Mike47,

For your grip when holding the ball across or with the seams, do you use your index finger and the finger next to it, or do you use your two middle fingers?

Bruster55, thanks for the Slohub video suggestion.

Thanks, Turbobob
Oct. 14, 2018
Topic: Rules of the game

Here is a youtube video link of a tomahawked ball:
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