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| Nov. 7, 2018 Turbobob | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: pitching tips VINNYG and Mike47, For your grip when holding the ball across or with the seams, do you use your index finger and the finger next to it, or do you use your two middle fingers? Bruster55, thanks for the Slohub video suggestion. Thanks, Turbobob |
| Oct. 14, 2018 Turbobob | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: CHOPPED / TOMAHAWKED BALL Here is a youtube video link of a tomahawked ball: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg3yLdmAM6E |
| Oct. 7, 2018 Turbobob | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Is this scenario a force out? lb16, Nancy and stick8. Not having any time to consult the rule book during the game, the conclusion we came to was since there was no tag out, it was a force out, which would nullify the run. Obviously an incorrect conclusion, and we didn't think about a timing play as described. Lesson well learned for the next time. If the runner who advanced to 3rd after the fly out started to retreat back to 2nd base, then indeed it would have been a force out as stated in the rules in Section 1.27.A.(b) if a runner, after touching the next base, retreats back to the previous base, the force play is re-instated and he may be out via a tag out or touching the base. As far as I can recollect, this was not the case in our play. Our instant replay camera wasn't working :-) Good responses. |
| Oct. 6, 2018 Turbobob | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Is this scenario a force out? Thanks Dave and B.J. During the game when this was happening, no one had their "rule book caps" on, and had to go by what we thought was the right ruling for this situation. After the game, I looked up the rules and saw 5.7.B, 2 and 3, which fit our situation and I didn't take into account about it being a "timing play" as explained by Dave. First time for everyone. Also, I didn't have the foresight before making my post to get the definition of a force play, and thought the out may qualify as a force, but it didn't. That's what this board is all about, and I appreciate the explanations. Turbobob |
| Oct. 5, 2018 Turbobob | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Is this scenario a force out? We are a senior slow pitch local league, self-umpiring. This scenario involves nullifying a run scored when a runner left the base early (on a tag up) after a fly ball was caught. I looked in the rules for determining if the call for doubling up a runner who tags up and leaves the base early on a fly out is indeed a force out, but there was nothing specific to that situation. Sections 1.27 and 5.7.B.3 come the closest. Scenario: Bases loaded, 1 out. Fly ball is hit and caught by an outfielder, resulting in out #2. Runners on both 1st and 2nd bases "tag up" and leave the base before the ball was caught. Runner on 3rd base tags up and leaves the base legally after the ball was caught and scores before the outfielder throws the ball to 2nd baseman. Runner who left 2nd base early makes it to 3rd base and stays there. Outfielder throws ball to second baseman who then touches 2nd base while the ball is still live (time was not called), and runner who ran to 3rd base remains there. Umpire calls the runner who left 2nd base early, out, and said the run counts since it was scored before the out was made. The defensive team makes a live ball appeal (that the run scored should be nullified) bringing this to the umpire's attention that the original runner on 2nd left the base early and was forced out, making this out #3 (a double play), and a run cannot count if the 3rd out is a force out. This is where the confusion begins. Remember, we are self-umpiring, and the umpires at the time were not aware of the rules for that situation, that this putout is a force out. The managers got involved to resolve if it was a force out or not. The conclusion was the putout at 2nd base was not via a tag out, so the only other choice is it was a force out, therefore the run is nullified. Is this interpretation of the rules correct since this situation is not specifically addressed? I realize every specific play or situation cannot show up in the rule book. |
| Sept. 22, 2018 Turbobob | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Ruling for runner stepping on baseman's foot instead of the base? Omar, I was the pitcher who caught the soft line drive and threw the ball to the 1st baseman, and was very close to first base. The runner stayed on the 1st baseman's foot for the entire play as described, not touching the base at all. We have tough guys playing first base :) |
| Sept. 20, 2018 Turbobob | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Ruling for runner stepping on baseman's foot instead of the base? In our self umpiring local league, we had this situation. Runner on 1st base, one out. Batter hits soft line drive to pitcher who catches it. Runner on 1st starts towards 2nd, then attempts to return to 1st base. 1st baseman's foot is on the bag and the runner steps on the 1st baseman's foot and never touches the bag. A second or two later, pitcher throws ball to 1st baseman and the runner is still standing on the 1st baseman's foot. The runner was called out because he never touched the bag or was never in contact with the bag, as stated many times in the rule book for a runner making contact with a base. Was that the correct call? Must a runner touch the bag and not a baseman's foot that is on the bag? |
| July 29, 2018 Turbobob | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Excessive Speed Pitch I have a difficult time trying to imagine a ball being pitched with "excessive speed" in a high arc league (5-10 feet or 6-12 feet). It would have to border on a flat, low pitch in order to have any momentum to hit the front or front edge and be a strike when using a strike plate. How fast can the speed be when in a low or high pitched lobbed ball? Just curious. |
| July 25, 2018 Turbobob | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Torn Rotator Cuff Real Deal, I had torn tendons and bone spurs on both of my rotator cuffs, about a year apart from each other (lucky me). In both cases, the bone spurs were removed at the same time, and if any arthritis was present, applicable action was taken, if possible, to relieve that also. Normal recovery in the right arm was about 6 months, but full recovery to where I could throw with strength and have no pain whatsoever was about 1 1/2 years. I was about a year into my first recovery when I injured my left shoulder and experienced the same recovery time frame. Everyone has a different recovery time frame based on their overall health. Mine first happened at age 70. |
| July 22, 2018 Turbobob | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Purpose for allowing base runners to "run thru" or "over run" bases? Omar, specific to #1, I was thinking of physically placing a flat rubber "safety base", orange color, about 3 feet to the right of 2nd base. Running from 1st to 2nd, the base runner will see the orange base to the right of the normal 2nd base, in the same plane as the line of sight the 3rd base coach/umpire sees it. Now the umpire gets a better view of the runner who wants to use the run-thru and determine the call accurately. The runner then has to re-touch the orange bag if he wants to advance at is own risk. As far as a run-thru for 3rd base, I think the umpire can determine this accurately without a safety base there. The call at 2nd is made easier using the safety base. Your other use of the force outs is interesting too. Food for thought. |
| July 21, 2018 Turbobob | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Purpose for allowing base runners to "run thru" or "over run" bases? Our local 70 plus league, self umpiring, is thinking of allowing base runners running to 2nd or 3rd base, to over run the base without being liable to get tagged out afterwards if they do not attempt to advance to the next base. I haven't seen many specific rules about this and have a few questions for those players that use it in their local leagues. 1. Is the purpose to protect the runner from injury by not stopping suddenly when no defensive player is near the base? Specifically, what is the purpose of allowing the over run? 2. How does the over run work when there is a defensive player on the bag anticipating to make a play? Does the runner have to bypass the bag a little bit (to avoid a collision) and hope the umpire sees that he reached the vicinity of the bag before the ball arrived? If any of you have rules in your league for over runs, run thru, etc. I would appreciate receiving them via email at bj99m@yahoo.com. |
| June 4, 2018 Turbobob | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Is it an illegal pitch or a "no pitch" call? BJ, Forgot to add the we are a self umpiring league that wants to avoid unnecessary arguments. |
| June 4, 2018 Turbobob | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Is it an illegal pitch or a "no pitch" call? BJ, This scenario happens every now and then, and when it does, it may occur once or twice during a game, at the most. We want to make sure the correct call is made when it does happen. Thanks. |
| June 4, 2018 Turbobob | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Is it an illegal pitch or a "no pitch" call? BJ and stick8, What I am understanding from my post: if the pitcher uses a one step approach in his continuous delivery and stops his delivery before releasing the ball (the ball is never released from his hand), then it is a "no pitch, no penalty" situation. Correct? |
| June 4, 2018 Turbobob | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Is it an illegal pitch or a "no pitch" call? OZ40, the ball is never released. |
| June 4, 2018 Turbobob | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Is it an illegal pitch or a "no pitch" call? stick8 and BJ, It is senior ball, and I can see the two step approach is illegal per the rules (1st step with the left foot, ball is released during the 2nd step with the right foot). Now, how about when a one step delivery is used with the 1st step being with the right foot and the ball is released at the same time. If the pitcher holds onto the ball without releasing it, is it an illegal pitch or a "no pitch" situation? |
| June 4, 2018 Turbobob | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Is it an illegal pitch or a "no pitch" call? Is there a penalty if the pitcher stops his delivery before releasing the ball toward the batter. I know balks are not used in softball. I did not find this specific situation in the rule book. During the delivery, pitcher "looses his rhythm" while making a two step approach to the rubber and staying within the pitching box. He stops before releasing the ball, so the ball is still in his hand, and is still in the pitching box. Is this an illegal pitch (penalty is a ball), or a "no pitch" (no penalty)? |
| June 4, 2018 Turbobob | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: home plate mats In our league, we cut pieces of 3/4" thick pine or maple plywood to the necessary measurements, then paint it white with a black 1" border. There is never a doubt when the ball hits the strike plate because you can hear it clearly. The sound also helps in determining the balls hitting the front edge (or any edge) for a strike. We store them in the large lockers at the fields. |
| May 30, 2018 Turbobob | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Is the infield fly rule based on physical ability to catch the ball? BJ, i have to agree with your assessment of the scenario that happened in my game, and would make the same call as the umpire (self-umpiring league) made. Ball lands about 25 feet from the pitcher or catcher, little or no effort is made to catch it, no IF rule is called. Nancy, for those "senior moments" you spoke of. You, stick8 and I agree that the fly ball between the pitcher and catcher is a difficult one. Most pitchers and catchers in my 70 plus league have difficulty walking least ways trying to run a step or two. I would call it a "senior physical moment" which doesn't allow them to get the ball which falls around 20-25 feet from them. Not calling the IF rule is the more appropriate call, and I agreed with the ump in my game. Certainly is scenario based, isn't it. |
| May 24, 2018 Turbobob | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Is the infield fly rule based on physical ability to catch the ball? What circumstances does the physical ability or inability of the infielder/pitcher/catcher to catch the fly ball play, in determining whether the infield fly rule is in effect? Sect. 1.41 INFIELD FLY (defined) A fair fly ball … that can be caught by any fielder with ordinary effort when … Is the “ordinary effort” based on the fielder’s physical ability to get to the ball? Example: Infield fly rule applies (bases loaded, one out. Ball is popped up about 30 feet high and lands halfway between the pitcher’s mound and the strike plate. Neither the pitcher nor the catcher are physically able to run more than a few steps toward the ball to catch it. Questions: 1) Is the infield fly rule applicable based on their “ordinary effort” (taking into account their physical challenges)? 2) If they just allow the ball to fall without moving, is the infield fly rule applicable? The umpire ruled it was not an infield fly because it was not an easily catchable ball by those players. |
