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Bob M.

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Men's 65

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May 15, 2018
Turbobob
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Pitching rules- use of a windup

Another interesting aspect with Section 6.7 F "The pitcher must deliver the ball toward the strike mat on the first forward pass of the pitching arm past the hip".
To me, this implies I can deliver a partial windmill pitch if I begin with the ball being held in front of me in front of my hip, then swing my arm in a continuous clockwise motion (right-hand pitcher), passing my hip for the first time in my delivery and releasing the ball after a 300 degree continuous motion.
There is no reversal of motion in that delivery, so am I correct in assuming this partial windmill pitch is legal?
May 14, 2018
Turbobob
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Pitching screen preferences

Our 65 plus local league is looking at using pitching screens to protect the pitcher. I've seen a variety of the screens and want to get feedback from those who use them and the best over all type to use.

The "L" shaped ones with a 3 foot cutout are 6 foot minimum width.
The straight ones without a cutout start at 3 feet wide and go up to 6 feet wide.
All are 7 feet high, which is not an issue.

Most rules allow the screen to be at or up to 4 feet away from the pitchers mound, with the end of the screen somewhere in line with the pitching mound. Based on those rules, do the pitchers prefer the straight or L shaped screens?

Which type have the batters complained the most about, straight or L shaped, knowing the screen width cuts into the hitting lane and carries a penalty if ball hits the screen? (Of course pitcher safety is paramount to having the screen, and I realize this).



Jan. 25, 2018
Turbobob
Topic: Product review
Discussion: Shin guards

AncientOne, I went to the site today on Amazon and the price is now $59.95 for what you describe from Miami Security Products. You must have been very fortunate to get them at that price, or they had a price increase right after your order.

Regardless, thanks for the info in case I think about using them when pitching.
Jan. 25, 2018
Turbobob
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Runner leaving Base Early

In our 60 plus local senior league, we enforce the rule as stated in the rule book with the following specific exceptions: The base runner(s)are NOT out if the batter makes a swing-and-miss or a check swing.

There is absolutely nothing to be gained by runners leaving the bag early on those two situations. They ARE out if they violate the rule as stated, in all other situations.

This has reduced the arguments and game delays in our league. We "self umpire" the games.
Nov. 18, 2017
Turbobob
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Looking for a simple answer to adding or substituting players

In our 60 plus league, we normally play with 11 players.

Show up with only 8 players, you forfeit the game. Everyone then plays a pick-up game.

Show up with 9 players, the other team can lend you 1 player (if available) only for defensive purposes, as a catcher or right fielder only. The other team can switch out the loaner player each inning if they want to. If no loaner player is available, you play with 9 (2 short defensive positions).

Show up with 10 players, no loaners. You play short one defensive position.

In all situations, there is no penalty in the batting order for being short.

This happens sometimes even with our rosters set with 15 or 16 players. Amazing.
Oct. 30, 2017
Turbobob
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Is there any limit to the number of walks per inning allowed?

I looked at the 2017-18 rule book and did not see any reference to putting a limit on the number of walks allowed per inning.

Our local league puts a limit of 2 walks per inning (intentional or non-intentional), and after 2 walks in the inning, the batter is only liable for strikes since balls are not counted. This continues until the batter gets 3 strikes or hits the ball to put it in play. This can take a long time, especially if the pitcher intentionally throws bad pitches to get the batter to swing at them.

If anyone uses a limit on the walks per inning, what procedure do you use once the limit is reached?
Oct. 19, 2017
Turbobob
Topic: Bats
Discussion: Is BPF rating stamped on all Senior composite bats approved by SSUSA?

In my effort to easily identify a full composite bat without having a person register it to the league, I see that SSUSA approves composite bats with bats stamped 1.21 BPF or lower. So if the BPF is 1.21, it is definitely a full composite, as I understand it. Is this correct?

Also, do any full composite bats made within the last 5 years or so have a BPF rating of 1.20 or lower? Your experiences would be helpful to me.

I assume all approved bat makers on the Approved Bat List have the BPF stamped on them as part of SSUSA approval. Am I correct?
Oct. 7, 2017
Turbobob
Topic: Bats
Discussion: Ways to easily identify a full composite bat?

I'm in a local 60 plus league that allows composite handle bats for everyone, and full composite bats for players 80 and over.

We are looking for a way to quickly determine which bats are full composite without having to scrutinize the bat details, so it is not used with any under 80 player "by mistake".

I suggested putting a 1/2" wide piece of tape around the top of the barrel (dark tape for light color barrel, light tape for dark color barrel).

Has anyone else had to deal with this issue, and if so, what means did you use?

We do penalize players for using full composite bats illegally, and want to do our best so "mistakes" are not made.

Thanks in advance for your input.

Sept. 22, 2017
Turbobob
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Batter unable to complete his at-bat.

I have looked over the 2017-18 rule book for this situation, but cannot come to a definitive answer, even without patching some of the rules together.

Here's the scenarios: Batter has a 1-1 count, one out. He then fouls off the next pitch. As a result of his swing, he hurts his back and cannot continue his at-bat. Just wondering how the termination of this at-bat is handled in tournaments, which use substitutes.

1) If a substitute player was available, could the substitute step up and resume the at-bat with the count now 1-2?

2) If no substitutes were available, would the at-bat terminate with the batter being called out?

I've also seen the rules for batting order situations, but not one for the current at-bat situation.
Aug. 14, 2017
Turbobob
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Neck Surgery

Fenway,

I had C5,6 and 7 neck fusion done in Spring, 2016. Was able to play in Fall 2016 without any real issues. The pain I experienced down my right shoulder, arm and fingers went away, but the tingling and numbness I had in the index and 2nd fingers lingered on. The tingling is now gone, but the numbness remains, so if you are also experiencing those symptoms in your fingers, you may have them lingering on.

You may also experience clicking sounds when moving your neck around, but they should go away or be minimal about a year after the surgery.

Hope that sheds some light, and here's to a successful recovery.

Turbobob
Aug. 1, 2017
Turbobob
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: "No Pitch" rule interpretation

2017 SSUSA rulebook Section 6.13 No Pitch

No pitch shall be declared when:
C. A runner is called out for leaving his base before
the pitched ball reaches home plate,
or is batted,
or touches the ground before reaching home plate.

My question is specific to "no pitch" being called when the runner leaves the base before the ball is batted, which includes a swing-and-miss.

The base runner(s) are out, but why doesn't the swing-and-miss count as a strike to the batter? What is the reasoning behind this?
Granted, out(s) are recorded for leaving the base early, but what does that have to do with the strike not counting toward the pitch count to the batter? If it is the 3rd strike as a result of a swing-and-miss, then the batter should also be out, unless I'm not interpreting the rule correctly.

Your thoughts?
July 28, 2017
Turbobob
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Courtesy runners

From the feedback given, I do not see any reason to limit the number of times the same courtesy runner can run in a game, in my league. The Screamer5 does have a point about using the CR as an offensive advantage instead of a health/safety related intention. Specific to my league, we also use the CR from the plate, since almost 20% of our players have difficulty running to 1st base, but still able bodied to play a position and be in the game in a limited way.

Thanks for the input and variety of situations presented.
July 27, 2017
Turbobob
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Courtesy runners

B.J. and SSUSA Staff,

My intent in the posting is to see if there is any reason the SAME rostered player should have a limit imposed on him for the total number of times they courtesy run in a game. The once per inning limit is understood. I also understand the ruling for a CR being on base when it is his time to bat, that he is out, but still retain his at-bat.

Hope that clears up any confusion.

This whole situation came up in my league when someone said "We should limit the number of times the same courtesy runner is used in a full game". I asked why, and the answer was "it's not fair". That is why I posted this query.


July 26, 2017
Turbobob
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Courtesy runners

To be a little clearer on this, I'm talking about the SAME rostered person being a CR once per inning, and for as many as 7 times in a 7 inning game.
July 26, 2017
Turbobob
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Courtesy runners

Is there any reason to impose a limit on the number of times a rostered player can be a courtesy runner in a game? I am fully aware of the rule stating that a CR cannot run more than once per inning.

Based on the rules as is, the same rostered player can run as many as 7 times in a 7 inning game, but never more than once an inning. Any reasons to limiting the number of times per game to less than 7 total times in a 7 inning game?
June 27, 2017
Turbobob
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Is the rule implying "a runner cannot leave the base until after the ball is batted" fully enforced in SSUSA sanctioned/sponsored games?

About a month ago, I made a post asking when is it legal for a base runner to leave the base without being penalized. B.J. responded, stating the runner can leave legally AFTER the ball was batted, meaning contact was made with the ball (also implying that a swing-and-miss is NOT a batted ball), or AFTER the pitched ball hits either the ground or hits the strike mat.
Link to the posting: https://seniorsoftball.com/?messageboard&viewby_thread=140820&message_topic_id=rules

That was fine with me for the rule interpretation. Now my question is, 1)in SSUSA tournament play, 2)and in non-tournament play, where you follow the SSUSA rules, is this rule fully enforced, or is it up the the Home umpire's discretion to enforce that rule or not? Who decides if that rule is enforced?

I play in a 65 plus league in the Phila. PA area, non-tournament games using SSUSA rules, and want to know what happens in other regions. Maybe those who play and umpire can also share their thoughts. Thanks in advance.
June 25, 2017
Turbobob
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Rotator Cuff Surgery or not?

Cuda, definitely have it done.
I've had it done on both my right (2014) and left (2015) shoulders, and am 72. Prior to each arthroscopic surgery, I was able to bat, throw and pitch underhand, but not able to lift either arm above my shoulder without a lot of pain. Played 2nd base and pitched with limited range.

With the sling on for 3 weeks, try sleeping in a reclining chair for the first week before trying to sleep in a bed. If you have an adjustable bed, raise the head almost upright. That helped me during my 2nd recovery to get a decent sleep with the sling.

It goes without saying to start the passive therapy early (after 2 weeks) if your surgeon doesn't suggest it first. Then work into the active therapy for the duration. After therapy is done, make those exercises a part of your daily/weekly routine for at least 9 months, then cut back on them a little in duration, but continue them for a few years afterwards.

This is what I did and now his season, 2017, I can say I have fully recovered from both surgeries, and it shows, because I can make the throw from any infield position to 1st base with speed and on the fly. During recovery, opioid pain killers had NO effect whatsoever to ease the pain, so I had to tough it out using Advil.

Keep the faith during your ordeal. You will recover fully.
June 14, 2017
Turbobob
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: When is is legal for a base runner to leave the base?

Thanks BJ for the explanation and putting all of the pieces of the rule together. That's what I was looking for in the first place and couldn't find it.
June 9, 2017
Turbobob
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: When is is legal for a base runner to leave the base?

Our league is 60 plus, slow pitch using a high arc, strike plate and use SSUSA rules.

We have a rule that if the base runner(s) leaves the base before the ball makes contact with the bat (which includes a swing and a miss by the batter), the base runner(s) are out. Some of the players have argued against this rule, so I decided to see what the SSUSA ruling is for what constitutes leaving the base early, and what the penalty is.

I went through the entire 2017-2018 rule book and did not find anything specific that addresses this situation. I did find references concerning base runners in 3 separate sections, but it was all piecemeal. Those sections are:

6.13 No Pitch
No pitch shall be declared when
C. A runner is called out for leaving his base before the pitched ball reaches home plate, is batted or touches the ground before reaching home plate.
(This rule comes closest to defining what the circumstances are, and the penalty. Also, a batted ball implies contact is made with the bat, so a swing and a miss is not a batted ball).

8.4(8) When runners can advance at their risk
Runners are entitled to advance with liability to be put out
A. When a pitched ball is batted.
(This rule states the ball has to be batted first, contact with ball is made, then the runner can leave the base).

9.1 Dead ball
The ball is dead and not in play:
G. When a base runner is called out for leaving a base early on a pitched ball.
(This rule states what the penalty is after the ball is pitched, but before it is batted or contact is made).

Q. When a base runner fails to keep contact with his base until the pitched ball has reached home plate.
(This is just a reference to the base runner having to stay on base until the ball gets to home plate).

As you can see, there is nothing specific in any of these sections to stating the circumstances for when a base runner can leave the base safely, and what the penalty is if he leaves early. I have to piecemeal sections together and interpret what is in those sections to get my answer. I would think there would be a specific set of rules and penalty for leaving the base early.

Is there a SSUSA staff person available to answer how this is handled in SSUSA tournaments?




Feb. 19, 2017
Turbobob
Topic: Bats
Discussion: Your thoughts on the DeMarini SF8 Balanced bat (2016).

Although not a fully composite senior bat, this one has a composite handle and alloy barrel, and will satisfy the requirements for the senior league that I'm in.

Anyone ever use it? Your thoughts?

Link: https://www.amazon.com/DeMarini-SF8-Slow-Pitch-Softball/dp/B01B6LRTI2/ref=dp_ob_title_sports?th=1&psc=1

Just copy and paste it into a new tab or window on your browser.
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