Here are some interesting facts based on the recent ToC tournament. There were 2 major plus 50 teams and 3 major plus 55 teams. Due to the small number of major plus teams these teams had to play major teams in the round robin. The results were 1, yes I said 1 major plus win, and 9 major wins! The scoring was also skewed with the major plus teams averaging 16.6 runs per game and the major teams averaging 21.2 runs per game. This is a 4.6 run differential per game which would lead me to believe that the major plus teams having to give 5 runs or an extra 11th defender creates an unfair advantage for the major team, or the major teams are just as good as the major plus teams.
I have seen these results repeated in other tournaments as well. Based on this limited sampling it would appear that no equalizer is required and the major teams are every bit as good as the major plus teams!
However, my personal experiences has shown that the major plus teams are having to play with the major rules of only 5 home runs. This is a major impediment to the major plus teams which are typically built with more home run power. This results in the major plus team hitting home runs for outs and/or power hitters having to purposely hit opposite field or up the middle to keep the ball in the park. Since the major plus players tend to be power hitters and not base hitters this limits their success.
I believe the senior softball associations should at least analyze this predicament and considered instituting one of the following corrective actions.
1) When major and major plus teams play give the major team the 5 runs but play with the major plus home run limits of 10.
2) When major and major plus teams play give the major team the 5 runs but allow any home runs over the 5 limit be singles and not outs.
I believe a tournament or two using one of these two changing would prove some interesting data which could then be used to make changes if they are deemed necessary. If not, it appears based on this limited analysis that the major teams have the advantage. The proof is in the 1 and 9 record exhibited by the major plus teams.
OK, let me try this again. After the tournament we discovered we had an extra bat. We narrowed it down to the New Jersey Hitmen. One of you mafia types needs to contact me or at least send quido done here! Audie Hollis, firstname.lastname@example.org or 904-569-1436
neck10 - Bobby's number is 813-503-1168. Conman (Dave) you are right. There is a Rose factor but i was just being a little tongue in cheek with the Michigan and Arizona boys. You know we have some type A personalities but they had a few as well. We enjoyed the competition and the friendship. A great bunch of softball players. I think the Michigan boys had an advantage as we were freezing and them corn feed dudes were walking around in shorts (with white legs) and shirt sleeves!
Hollis Appraisals / Kittrell Acoustical won the 55 major plus over a very good Kinnco Services team out of Michigan. We also had some good battles with Greco Hitman out of Arizona. Our team really enjoyed the competition and all of the characters we played against. A little cold but a very well run tournament. Too bad for us we've offended all of the local umps during our monthly battles here in Florida as the blues were giving us "visitor cooking." We couldn't buy a call even though most of those boys are our cousins and uncles! ;)
I received a flier from the ISA saying their Senior World is July 26-28 for the 65/70/75s and July 29-31 for the 50/55/60s. The tournament will be in Cocoa Beach, Florida. Since the Florida Half Century league has 86 - 50 and over teams and 84 - 60 and over teams I think it is smart to put your national tournament will you will get the most overall participation. Granted the teams from up north, mid-west and west will be at a disadvantage. Just business!
I'm in my twenties and on first base with no outs. The ball is hit pretty deep to right center where there is a new ganglia player. I take off from first on a tag up and about 12' from second I hear the sizzle and pop in the second baseman's glove. The base umpire is about 6' to my right. I stop hold out my right hand and walk up to the second baseman and say, "just tag me". He reaches to tag my right hand which I move, he misses and then I extend my left foot to tag the bag!
The umpire calls me out. I protest and he says I am making a mockery of the game. I tell him it was strategy. He wins, I'm out!
I love the mat and occasionally pitch. I find that seniors that also pitch Utrip don't like it as the mat requires a slower speed with the 6' to 12' height and better control of your pitches to hit flat and up front or high and deep. The faster ball pitchers have not honed their game to be competitive with the mat as it takes more skill to throw a curve, screwball, knuckle, etc. with the mat.
I think the mat helps the pitcher and is detrimental to the hitter as the pitch that hits the front of the plate and bounces back at the pitcher is not hittable and the extremely high pitch that hits the back inside corner is just about as impossible to hit.
The mat also reduces arguments on pitched balls, speeds the game up and I predict that some day it will be used in most phases of slow pitch.
Webbie25 you hit it right on the head. Softball and family! A few years ago with the help of my 2 brother that play we put a whole Hollis team on the field and won the league championship. Me and my 2 sons, Curt and his 3 sons and Clay and his 2 sons. Fortunately for us all of the kids are very good. Every game was like a family reunion as my parents, other daughters, grandkids, etc. would come out to watch us play and laugh! A photo of the 10 of us is one I will cherish forever! Everybody have a great Christmas!
Thought you guys might get a kick out of one of our typical weekends when 87 teams show up at the Florida Half Century. This is a little tongue & cheek, but we've started the year at the #1 position, played badly, dropped to #5 and have recovered our position to #2. Stay tuned for next month's episode!
Some of our team members use a standard grip with one hand on top of the other and both hands totally on the bat. This appears to allow for the best bat control. Some use the same hand position but turn their palms inward until their grip looks like they are swinging a golf club. This reportedly breaks the wrist sooner and adds bat speed. Others use what we call the "sling grip" which for a right hand batter is the thumb and first finger of the left hand hand being placed over the knob of the bat with the remaining 3 fingers off of the bat below the knob. The right hand is then placed over the left hand like a glove. This in essence extends the length of the bat arch by about 6 inches and results in more overall bat speed but less control.
The question is which grip do you use, why, and have you tried the other grips.
Great discussion on great hitters. For my money, Rick Perez, is the best infielder I have ever seen. However, there certainly are many other good ones. I think one qualification is longevity.
The best outfielder I have seen is Mike Walker. The old Marine is turning 60 and did not play this year. However, over the past 9 years I have had the pleasure of playing with what I think is the best ever at that position. Am I biased, sure, but in this case it is deserved.
Mike is a rare combination of fast, excellent anticipation, the best arm I have ever seen in the outfielder, incredible timing, and the ability to carry a team by himself. This coupled with a strong will to win and an awesome bat results in one world class outfielder.
Let's hear from some others on their best and maybe we can come up with an un-official dream team outfield. The only qualification is you must have played senior ball for at least 5 years.
Then it would be interesting to do the same for pitchers.
Having played senior ball for 7 years I have seen some great hitters. However, many times you see a great hitter for just a short period of time and it is hard to judge them. However, the ones that have impressed me with their abilities and not in any particular order are:
60s Davie Reed
60s Bruce Meade (when he plays)
60s Ed Rose
55s Pat McLellan
55s Gary Deaton
55s Bobby Davis
50s Ron Parnell
50s Mark Martin
50s Caleb Rabenold
Boy wouldn't you love to have a team with this roster and then about 3 more excellent defensive players. Here's a question. Who are some of the best defensive players you have seen in senior ball. The guy that sticks in my mind is Perez who we only use to see in Vegas. What a talent.
Conman, that would work. We'll see what develops. Here is another thought though. Do you realize that no Florida College has ever won a national hockey tournament that I am aware of. Therefore, in this politically correct gone a muck world, I am proposing, in the name of fair play, that all southern colleges should be considered as one school and our all star team should be allowed to play against Michigan, Minnesota, etc. in the college hockey national championship.
Also since I do not recall any colleges in the mid west winning any of the national college surfing championships we consider all states that do not touch an ocean or great lake as one college so that they have a fair chance to win a championship.
On a serious note, yes the California teams win the highest percentage of tournaments. They have more teams and most of the tournaments are closer to them then others. That's cool. My desire is to put a teams or teams together that can beat them. There is no animosity, this is competition. I am not going to cry and advocate legislation to limit them. I am going to try to improve myself so that I can compete. Otherwise your victory is nothing but a hollow win.
I guess if the powers to be in softball were running the college football scene they would legislate against the southern teams which tend to dominate and restrict their scholarships so that the rest of the country could compete.
Joe, lets propose, you and I to meet in say St. Louis/Houston/Dallas, etc. and you bring the top 5 teams that play league ball in North California (no pickups) and I will try to get our top 5 teams which would be the top five in the Florida Half Century with no pickups.
We'll play a round robin of 5 games. Florida versus California with 3 games on Friday and 2 on Saturday just for bragging rights.
Man, wouldn't that be a blast! A great tournament against 5 excellent teams we have never seen. I'll talk to the other team managers in Florida and see if we can get everyone in agreement and then we will pick a date, rent the fields and umps and let it rip. Of course, using good balls and bats! Dude, there's the challenge! Like the Hulkster says, "what you gonna do!"
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