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June 4, 2019
45caliber
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Ruling

Foul ball once in foul territory
June 4, 2019
45caliber
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Over-ruled call confusion

Tim, Nancy
"I suspect that there is a little more to this story" Not really

Not trying to keep issue going, but facts in Missouri as stated in OP are correct. Dry conditions. Fixed scoring plate. Error revolved around a lone umpire in an earlier game (0830 time) that told the team they didn't have to touch home plate (this was confirmed). Hard to swallow part is when eam playing us scored (1 pm game), they did touch, but with a play at the plate they went passed and umpire called them out. Issue is the overrule from the field director (which the umpire did not agree with either). The reasoning was since the umpire in that team's game 1 told them they didn't have to touch the plate, they were under the impression they didn't have to touch the plate in every game that day.
Umpires should all be on the same page. If a plate is in play, that's where the groundrule meeting should cover those issues.
Yes, it had an effect on the game but not the ultimate outcome.

Bottom line, I think most of us would agree a scoring line is preferable to a plate for many reasons. It's rare to see the plate anymore.
June 3, 2019
45caliber
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Over-ruled call confusion

Monty33 and Nancy Allen: This was in Columbia, MO. Missouri Open. Field director of umpires “Donna”.
Nancy: I would think No appeal would be necessary since ball came directly into the catcher who was on the mat. Runner ran over scoring plate without foot down. Umpire made decisive call of OUT right then.
June 3, 2019
45caliber
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Over-ruled call confusion

Here's the situation:
Pool play game for seeding. Tournament is using a scoring plate rather than a score in line this weekend.
Weather is sunny and dry. Team we are playing has as runner come around third and we throw home. Runner doesn't touch plate. If he touches plate he's safe as the throw was half a second late. Umpire calls runner out for not touching the plate (obvious correct call). The team with the runner called out goes ballistic.

Their argument to umpire is in their previous game, the umpire told them they didn’t have to touch the plate for some reason. For some reason, the tourney director of umpires gets involved and she overrules the game umpire and allows the run to score. Note, this was the third run of the game scored by the opposing team. The first two runners touch the scoring plate. Tourney umpire director reasons that the reason for overturning the umpire's call is because previous umpire in a previous game that morning played by opposing team told that team they didn’t have to touch the plate, Even though, again, previous runs scored in our game they touch the plate. This run led to more. Note, since there is no scoring line so how do you determine if foot down on a bang-bang play? We ended up winning the game, but are confused by and still disagree with this decision by the field director. This isn't to be taken as a whinny post, but are we off base thinking this wrong?
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