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June 4, 2019
garyheifner
570 posts
Ruling
Batter mis-hits a short pop up down 1st base line short of 1st base. Pitcher goes over to get it but lets ball hit ground in fair territory and it spins over the foul line.

Ball now hits the bat on the ground in foul territory that the batter dropped on the way to 1st and it bounces back into fair territory.

Ump ruled fair ball and hitter has a single. Correct call?
June 4, 2019
45caliber
4 posts
Foul ball once in foul territory
June 4, 2019
BOURGEOIS
Men's 40
18 posts
If the bat is dropped in foul territory and the ball rolls into the bat and then goes into fair territory, the ball is ruled foul. Upon touching the bat in foul territory, the ball is foul and is a dead ball.
June 4, 2019
BOURGEOIS
Men's 40
18 posts
See Video

https://baseballrulesacademy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Bat-Interference.mp4



June 5, 2019
B.J.
603 posts
Bourgeois has the correct call
June 5, 2019
lb16
Men's 50
151 posts
And what was umpires explanation as to why this was a fair ball?
June 5, 2019
stick8
1706 posts
Foul ball
June 5, 2019
Nancy Allen
Men's 55
1259 posts
Definitely foul.

Maybe the umpire misapplied this rule (only ever seen happen once as written below):

9.2 R. If the batter drops the bat and the ball rolls against the bat in fair territory, and in the umpireís judgment, there was no intention to interfere with the
course of the ball. The batter is not out and the ball is live and in play.



June 5, 2019
garyheifner
570 posts
ump was told that ruling by another ump
June 5, 2019
Nancy Allen
Men's 55
1259 posts
Did he phone it in? Goodness. BJ, if you say anything about Austin, I will definitely have a good laugh.
June 5, 2019
garyheifner
570 posts
Same ump just asked me tonight--what if the bat was in fair territory?
June 6, 2019
Nancy Allen
Men's 55
1259 posts
Gary, the rule above would apply. The only catch would be whether the batter intentionally dropped it there in the umpire's judgement. I know that if I hit a ball that short that I wouldn't have the presence of mind to throw a bat down to intentionally change the course of the ball. I am running a mad dash for first with no other thought in my head.

Hopefully the umpire learned something from you.
June 6, 2019
garyheifner
570 posts
Thanks for the replies Just something that we don't see often.
June 10, 2019
Wayne 37
Men's 60
610 posts
[[[the rule above would apply. The only catch would be whether the batter intentionally dropped it there in the umpire's judgement. I know that if I hit a ball that short that I wouldn't have the presence of mind to throw a bat down to intentionally change the course of the ball. I am running a mad dash for first with no other thought in my head.]]]

Intention has nothing to do with it. That was covered in the video. Ruling is the same as it has been for years.

June 11, 2019
Nancy Allen
Men's 55
1259 posts
It is a baseball video. This is softball. 9.2 R above has the word intention in it. You can look it up if you think that I did not copy and paste correctly. It has always been this way in softball.
June 11, 2019
B.J.
603 posts
wayne.. here try this web-site it's for BASEBALL umpires then you can post your BASEBALL rules from your SOURCE the author of one of the most coveted publications of baseball rules ever written.. http://umpire-empire.com/
June 11, 2019
stick8
1706 posts
Had a play in a high school baseball game earlier this year. No one on base, no outs. Visiting team batting. Left handed batter executes a nice drag bunt. He tosses the bat toward the pitcher. Pitcher jumps out of the way of the bat. No call by home plate ump (Iím on the bases). Catcher gets the ball throws to first and hits the batter runner in the shoulder. I have no call at first. Batter runner was running on the inside grass. Still no call from my partner. Then the home team coach comes charging out screaming at my partner. After several minutes of arguing my partner came up to me and asked ďdid the batter intentionally throw the bat toward the pitcher? Ē My response was that I canít read his intent but I do you canít do what he did and he was also out of the baseline, take your pick.
My partner didnít call anything, prompting one of the most vulgar arguments Iíve seen. Of course he was ejected but not before he got the last word in. And I certainly canít blame him.
The point is intent isnít always the determining factor in making a call.
June 11, 2019
Wayne 37
Men's 60
610 posts
Question. Why would anybody in their right mind intentionally throw their bat at a fair batted ball?

I know it is a baseball video. Duh! I wasn't referring 9.2(R) and what would you consider intentional since the ball wasn't struck with the thrown bat? I can only picture you running at a mad dash.....LOL

I know what I would call in a BASEBALL game.

And I have been a member of Umpire Empire since it virtually launched. There is an excellent thread on there on how to award bases when obstruction is called. You should check it out.
June 12, 2019
Nancy Allen
Men's 55
1259 posts
stick8, I agree, but when the rule specifically says intention that is what it is. I have never had it happen to me, but it happened to someone that I was training on his first game. Fortunately he called it correctly by accident (no intent to change the direction of the ball). It must have happened before that someone intentionally threw the bat down to change the direction of the ball, or every softball association would not have basically the same rule on it. I can't imagine being able to execute that because I would be too busy running for first to think that well or deliberately. We are fortunate in softball that we do not have the other scenarios since bunting is not allowed.

Hope to see you soon!
June 12, 2019
jimperry19
41 posts
At one time I found the whole Nancy Allen, Wayne, BJ thing kind of funny. Now I find it extremely annoying and immature. Same thing over and over, debating rules, name calling, questioning of knowledge,explosion and thread closed. Ridiculous. Lets go back to debating why tourneys don't have real time results. At least that made sense. Sometimes.
June 12, 2019
Wayne 37
Men's 60
610 posts
I agree...I can discuss a rule, but on the other hand
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