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Aug. 31, 2019
Topic: Teams looking for players

After 10 days of phonecalls, emails, texts, and conversations over eligibility issues with Sacramento, the 19 Hitmen are coming to Las Vegas for the 65/Major Worlds at Desert Breeze Sep 23-26. Got in just under the wire.

Now we need one more "roster exemption player."

Since the Hitmen are an Arizona team, you must reside here or in a bordering state. If you have appropriate snowbird credentials, that's OK, too. As far as experience, we can add you if you're 65-69 with AAA experience...or 70+. SSUSA must approve you in advance, so don't wait til the last minute.

If you would otherwise miss the World Masters tournament and wanna hook up with a competitive bunch, give me a shout here with contact info or hit my email below.

Aug. 26, 2019
Topic: Players looking to join a team

Today at 5pm is the deadline for session 2...we have received one firm inquiry from a group of players who might be available to join our roster for the Worlds. But, there is uncertainty regarding their former alliances and we don't want to negatively impact or weaken any team who is planning to go by ripping away some players. That is not our intent.

Our request is made to those players whose team (like ours) is unable to bring a strong enough and deep enough squad to compete for 4 days. If you would otherwise miss the Worlds and want to play, give us a shout.

That said, if we can't get our own team to Vegas, we will continue to offer players (both 70+ and 65+) to provide depth to those teams who are going to Vegas shorthanded, subject to the rules governing such last minute roster additions. See those regs elsewhere in this thread.

For those of you just tuning in, we are a solid (if inconsistent) 65/Major team with wins this season over Timberworks, Ancient, Rocco's, Auto Accessories (OR) and others. Contact me at the email address noted for more information.


Aug. 23, 2019
Topic: Players looking to join a team

Updating this post after seeing a lower-than-expected turnout for session #1...our team (19 Hitmen-65/Major) has gained a rostered player due to a younger team dropping out. This gives us 10...solid, but not deep enough to make a charge against the best in the division next month.

Deadline is Monday 5pm. Two ways to go here.

1) Continue to offer to help another team that is short handed. We have players over 70 as well as 65+. Reply if you're interested and need help;

2) We ask for help from 2-3 age/skill-appropriate players who will otherwise miss the biggest tournament of the year. If you're 65 or older, playing Major and want to suit up in the Worlds with a competitive team, SSUSA rules allow you to do so without qualifying. See the rule posted above...item h. covers it.

We will apply for permission to add you, provided you are geographically acceptable...must border Arizona...or have approved snowbird credentials.

My contact information is also above. Let's do this!

Aug. 20, 2019
Topic: Players looking to join a team

Here is the rule language on the matter....

h. If a participating team's roster falls below 12/13 players,the team MAY APPLY TO ADD players until it reaches the 12/13 player level. These players may be from the SAME (or older) age group in the SAME or LOWER skill level, pursuant to the player’s history over the current and two prior playing seasons. Managers must APPLY to SSUSA for approval of these players in writing. These players are approved or denied on an individual basis. NOTE: Any player to be considered for roster addition must have been otherwise eligible as to age and residency for that team during the current

i.If a participating team's roster falls below the 15/16 limit,the team will be able to add players until it reaches the 15/16 player level. These players must be from the next OLDER age group in the SAME or LOWER skill level, or in the same age group, LOWER skill level, pursuant to the player’s history over the current and two prior playing seasons. Managers must notify SSUSA in writing of the players the team is adding;
Aug. 20, 2019
Topic: Players looking to join a team

19 Hitmen (65/Major) will not be entering the Worlds due to a blizzard of injuries, travel commitments, or other obligations. There are individual players who would be willing to join other teams that are shorthanded under the rules of SSUSA that allow for teams to add a non-roster player(s) in the event they don't have a minimum of 12.

If your team is struggling to make the cut, you can reply here with contact information and I will get back to you to discuss. Or, send me an email to the address below.

The 19 Hitmen were all over the map this year, but with decisive wins over Timberworks, AZ Ancient, and Rocco's the ability is there, if not the consistency.

Please reach out if you need help. Deadline for this is Aug 26.

April 29, 2019
Topic: General and miscellaneous

The current Rodney Dangerfield of senior softball, Timberworks, can't get no respect. Their recent carpet bombing of an otherwise pristine 65/Major bracket in Vegas didn't help their cause...even though my team, 19 Hitmen, beat them soundly. Take that, Evil Empire!

Now, before Doug's "Amen Choir" rushes to his defense, keep these facts in mind: Timberworks is 100-17 (or thereabouts) when playing as a 65 team since 2016; their average margin of victory is 10 runs (when you drop the 5-run spots they give sometimes); they have won EVERY SSUSA TOURNAMENT entered as a 65 team since July of 2016; when they play against 60 teams (Platinum mixes of major and plus) which they have done twice, they are 6-5 with an average margin of victory of 7.2 runs and an average margin of defeat of 4.2 runs.

Players want to compete...I say, COMPETE when they play. Timberworks players for the most part fall in this category. After winning almost 90% of their games I know most are looking for a challenge. That's why I told a few of them in Vegas they will love playing and competing in the 60 age group.

They will rediscover what it means to play competitive take the field knowing they might lose if they don't execute be challenged on the get their nose bloodied once in get that 'agony of defeat' thing going again...

The Twerks have put together a team that is too good for the 65 age/skill classifications (hats off to them!) and the most appropriate thing for them to do is drop down to 60s and see how they do. If they get their heads beat in...after 3 tournaments let them come back to 65. ANY OTHER TEAM IN ANY OTHER DIVISION WOULD BE BUMPED GIVEN THE COMPLETE DOMINATION displayed by Timberworks.

The way SSUSA structured the Vegas event for 65/Major was ridiculous in that it completely neutered the Championship round. By declaring ahead of time the runnerup would win the 65/Major title if Timberworks was in the finals, SSUSA effectively made the championship game meaningless...and as a result it was not even played. As expected, Timberworks left the ballpark as AZ Ancient was playing Top Gun Elite having been assured of another tournament victory and the lucrative prize booty that comes with it...are you kidding?

This happens to be an aberrant situation and the precedent has already been set by them playing 60s in the 2018 Spring Worlds and 2019 TOC last February. There was widespread dissatisfaction among the managers I spoke with in Las Vegas last week. Our team will not attend another SSUSA tournament without an assurance that Timberworks' results will not affect an otherwise excellent 65/Major bracket. That means Reno, the Westerns, Rocky Mountains, and Masters. That's $2500+ in entry fees we will spend elsewhere and I am not the only team to feel this way.

If Doug won't do it, maybe the true icons on the team will take the lead and do the right thing.

Rodney Dangerfield gets no respect, but he was funny. "Hey, I bought a waterbed...TERRIBLE...lumpiest mattress ever...I found out there were 2 Cuban guys inside looking for Miami...NO RESPECT..."

But, there's nothing funny about a schoolyard bully.
Feb. 22, 2018
Topic: Rules of the game

Elsewhere on this Forum you will find extensive discussion about ratings. As we hear every year from disgruntled managers and players about the injustice of an arbitrary move-up, it might be time to state the obvious.

The SSUSA rating system is a absurd game. Sacramento can't even follow their own guidelines much of the time. The process lacks integrity, transparency, consistency, and accuracy.

SSUSA makes the rules. Then breaks the rules. Hiding behind the disclaimer "...SSUSA reserves the right to change a team at any time..." they might as well have written "We'll do anything we want whenever we want---deal with it."

The policy says rating appeals are reviewed ONLY twice per year, December and June. Less than 15% of the effective dates of changes are estimated to occur in those months.

"We don't rate players, we rate teams" goes the mantra. Ridiculous. Players change teams all the time and then are considered a higher-rated player and thus often ineligible to play where they wish. The idea that players don't carry ratings is pure rubbish.

We're told as part of a team's appeal process SSUSA looks at recommendations from umpires on game cards. I've signed about 300 game cards over the last 14 years and have not seen one umpire comment. Just sayin. They might, but I doubt the comments are terribly relevant.

Same goes for the reports from Tournament Directors.

And, finally, the sending of Sacramento's recommendations to the 12 SSUSA Directors for review and comment? Nonsense. Rarely if ever has any of that information been shared with managers. And what provisions are made for the obvious conflicts of interest such as when a SSUSA Director is also a team manager?

None. What we get is His Georgeness perched in his lofty Winery Tower issuing edicts about players he hasn't seen in 5 years. Maybe has never seen. He doesn't attend tournaments. Doesn't see the players. Doesn't account for the devastating effects of aging on some. Doesn't care. Surrounded by gatekeepers, he is inaccessible. Incommunicado. And unaccountably off base much of the time.

All of us support the idea of parity in the game. Nobody has any fun when the score is so lopsided as to not even be a contest. But, we're a far, far cry from fair with this arbitrary, capricious, and disingenuous system.

Time to reboot.

June 2, 2017
Topic: General and miscellaneous

Anyone familiar with the 65 Major Plus division for the past 3 years knows the name Timberworks (formerly 15 Hitmen.) The current reigning World Champs, Twerks (as they are affectionately known throughout the land) have racked up an impressive list of tournament victories including yesterday's Rockin Reno crown. Starting in 2015, the 15 Hitmen (now Twerks) have won every SSUSA tournament they've entered except two---the 2015 Worlds in Vegas, and the 2016 NorCal Cup in Sacramento. Quite impressive.

Which makes it all the more astounding that their current manager, an SSUSA Tournament Director, would stoop to the stunt he pulled in yesterday's loser bracket finale in Reno.

Rockin Reno is a tournament that uses the Trump Stote. But the Twerks manager must have thought he was in Las Vegas when he "accidentally" slipped in 3 Trump "Rocks" to start the game. Quickly capitalizing on the illegal ball, the Twerks hit a 3-run homer before anyone noticed they were hitting the "Rock" and then all hell broke loose when it was detected.

Tournament Director Dave Dowell was summoned and he quickly ruled the BALL ILLEGAL under section 3.5(F)with the penalty being an out was called at the time the ball was discovered to be illegal. The 3-run homer was allowed to stand.

Based on this rule interpretation, some may consider it a brilliant move on the Twerks part, even if it was underhanded and unsportsmanlike. Most players assume the integrity of the other manager and often fail to notice immediately when they're being cheated.

Interestingly, in case you're wondering about sanctions for using unapproved equipment, the penalty for using an ILLEGAL BAT is immediate ejection from the game, surrender of the bat (or risk a 1-year suspension and possibly more), an out is called on the hitter, and all baserunners return to the previous base before the illegal bat was used.

Furthermore, the penalties for using an "ALTERED" SOFTBALL are game forfeiture on the first offense and team ejection from the tournament for subsequent offenses with possible additional disciplinary action.

Disciplinary actions for using an ALTERED BAT are tantamount to the death penalty for the offender.

But strangely, the penalty for using an ILLEGAL BALL is 5 minutes at the blackboard writing I will not cheat fifty times.

Since the Twerks manager is a prominent SSUSA Director for the past 10 years or more, one would assume he had knowledge of the Rule Book regarding such matters. He said he "accidentally" grabbed the wrong balls out of his bag...but SSUSA provides the balls we are to use; they were all Trump Stotes...and the question must be asked, "What was a bagful of "Rocks" doing in your dugout at a Stote tournament?"

As they say on ESPN...."Come on, man!!"

Terry Hennessey and the gang have provided us with a Seven Article Code of Ethics on the very first page of their Official Rulebook. Article 7 states: (I will) Not commit any act that could be considered unsportsmanlike conduct. Article 1 states: (I will) Abide by the the best of my ability.

You might think an SSUSA Tournament Director would be held to at least that standard. But you would be terribly wrong.

With respect, I say to my friends on Timberworks, your terrific in-game performance was sullied by a cheap trick, a lowdown move by the master of mendacity.

Now, where did I put my Original Ultra.....?????

July 16, 2015
Topic: Website comments

They're at it again in Sacramento. The annual midyear Ratings Raffle where some lucky teams get the classification of their dreams and some others get to weep and gnash their teeth.

Couldn't help but notice the change involving Event Lab out of Minnesota, one of the toughest, hardest hitting, most competitive bunch of hombres this observer has seen in a long time.

In the 65 Major Plus division in Las Vegas last April, Event Lab piled up 37 runs in our opening best-of-3 series game, rattling us for 10 runs in the open and winning 37-36.

And, as if that wasn't enough, they went out and scored 40---YES, FORTY RUNS---in Game 2. That's 77 runs in two games and I am proud to say I was there and saw it all. They added 9 more in the rubber game for a 3 game total of 86.

Line drives all through their lineup...gappers, bullets in the 5-6 hole...screamers up the occasional dinger...not a cheap hit in the bunch...and there must have been 100+ hits from those guys. Our ears were ringing. My pitchers suffered shellshock. We all have PTSD.

It was a marathon day...over 7 hours on the field...before we prevailed in the deciding game. But, not a head was bowed in their dugout...they are as tough as they come...arguably the best team we've seen this year in 32 games.

So....imagine my shock to see they were dropped to Major yesterday...BUSTED a rank...surely George in Sacramento must know something I don't. How in the name of all that is holy did you come up with this decision, Your Georgeness?

And congratulations to Event Lab...I think. If that's what you wanted...but WHY? And you unsuspecting Major teams in 65---better start ducking for cover. His Georgeness let a Panzer Division loose on the playground.
Sept. 6, 2014
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Partial Knee Replacement Experience

My orthopedic surgeon told me a year ago my MRI suggested I might be the "poster boy" for partial knee replacement. He sent me to a specialist more experienced in the procedure and the specialist nixed the procedure in my case.

The problem was I had too much arthritis in the remaining two compartments according to the latest MRI. He said the partial would be a waste of time.

The original surgeon explained partials as a less invasive procedure that (WHEN CLEARLY INDICATED) offers less bone and blood loss, possibly less pain, and a shorter rehab---all good things in my book.

In my reading about this condition, I learned some partial knee replacements were done when they clearly were not indicated, thus resulting in poor surgical outcomes.

As a result, my surgeon also said many partials eventually need to be revised, meaning a full knee replacement will eventually be required. Furthermore, the medical data seemed to indicate those patients who had had partials and needed full replacement surgery later, did not do as well as those who had done the full knee replacement in the first place.

For these reasons, I decided to forego the partial and when I'm ready have the full knee replacement done. In the meantime, to coax out another year (maybe 2) of playing, I bought a loader knee brace and make liberal use of ibuprofen, Voltaren gel, and ice packs to get through tournaments.

I consider myself fortunate as my knee gives me considerable pain when playing ball; however, once that subsides (usually within a couple of days after the tournament) I can walk, bike, play golf, and otherwise live a low-pain life. As my friends know, I'm a chicken and am putting this surgery off as long as possible

To be fair, I know of several players who have had excellent results with partial knee's an awesome decision and one you should make with as much information as possible. In the end, only you can decide what is best for you.

Good luck.

Aug. 4, 2014
Topic: Rules of the game

As I said starting this thread, I've been on vacation and unable to get to the computer to respond. Thanks to those who take issue with my premise. Let me reply.

First, to Rich (Swing 4 etc): I don't mean to say we NEVER score seven runs in an inning...we do 65 team scored 4 of them in a row in Reno in the title game. So it does happen...but only as often as to essentially ruin most games by shortening them to 6 or even 5 innings. Since the expansion of runs allowed (first 9 and then 7) fewer than 10% of all non-championship games in Major Plus go seven innings. At over $120/game, that's unacceptable.

Now, to Dave (Mango): Defense is important at any level, not just major plus. As you'll see later, the argument that Major Plus teams play better defense does not hold water, either. As for using the 7 runs per inning mechanism to get more at bats...well, what is so sacred about getting 4 ABs in a game? Wouldn't 5 or 6 plate appearances be better? And, as for who plays more softball, let me ask you the same question---games that go 5 innings in 70 minutes...or games that go 7 innings in 90 minutes?
SSUSA proved a few years ago when they raised the time limits by a mere 5 minutes that 7 innings were quite reachable---WITH A 5 RUN LIMIT. They should go back to that standard.

And, my good friend, Mark (Webbie): You know my passion for the defensive side of the game. I would love to believe your contention...however...I can't. Nobody plays better defense than those 40 year olds we saw at Reno...simply stupendous plays left and right---ahhhhh, young legs. But, their average game score in Reno was 23-18 (41 total runs) in 48 games played. By contrast, the average 50 Major plus score was 25-17 (42 total runs) in 25 games; the average 55 Major Plus score was 26-18 (44 total runs) in only 12 played; and the average 60 Major Plus score was 19-14 (33 total runs) in 12 played.

The 40 Masters with 5 runs per inning have game scores commensurate with the highest levels of older division play. The only way for older Major Plus division teams to score more runs is to let them play seven innings.

Reducing the number of runs allowed per inning from seven to five will enable them to do that.
Aug. 1, 2014
Topic: Rules of the game

El Staffo---at odds....???...decidely so.

Those players who proposed and advocated seven runs per inning no doubt had the best of intentions, but the empirical data just doesn't support their contention,

Even at 5 runs per inning and an open, Major Plus games should feature scores with both teams routinely in the the math.

But, they don't. Look it up.

So much for "groove" theory.

July 31, 2014
Topic: Rules of the game

Coming down to my last weekend on vacation in San Diego...and with way too much time on my hands...I find myself asking, "Why seven runs per inning in Major Plus?"

I've played assorted major plus divisions since 2009. Lots of games. Maybe hundreds. If major plus hitters are so damn good to need 7 runs per inning (instead of the more appropriate five) shouldn't tournament game scores reflect higher run totals?

Let's runs per inning x six or seven innings (one of them open) should routinely generate game scores with both teams in the high 30's and 40s, at least...maybe even breaking 50 once in awhile.

They don't. Most major plus game scores are in the same range as many other can look it up.

What seven runs per inning does do, however, is eliminate the possibility of a seven inning game.

It's time to end the silliness...bring back 5 runs per inning and seven inning games to Major Plus. And while we're at it, drop the homerun limit to 6. Rarely does any team hit 9 out, anyway.

Thank you.
March 9, 2013
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Bat/ball combos of yesteryear

I remember when the game first began we didn't use any balls. We had burlap sacks from the produce market and we stuffed them with rags. Each sack would last about 2 innings, almost as long as an SSUSA 60 major plus game lasts today. Then we'd replace the sack with another.

The sacks became all bent and battered and didn't roll well or bounce true...until one day old Peterson came up with the idea of a round ball...and THAT was a breakthrough idea that is still in use today. Peterson would be proud.

We used a broom handle one of the guys sawed in half---presto!!, two bats!! The heat from all that sawing created the first "hot" bat...and boy that really caught on, too.

It was very efficient back then because the old unusable ragsacks were then converted to mitts for the fielders, thereby reducing many broken fingers and bruised palms, for once round balls and hot bats were adopted players could hit harder and farther.

Of course, in those days gentlemen played at the highest level possible. It was a matter of personal pride to play the best players around...then one day after a huge flood some of the guys were removing the sandbags used to hold back the water and one got the idea, "Hey if I tell everyone I can't play very well, maybe they'll let me play at a lower level and I'll pick up an easy t-shirt...then I'll be long gone before those suckers figure it out---with the t-shirt, of course. Oh yeah, I got the t-shirt"

Thus, sandbagging was born. Those of us who've been around the game for a lifetime remember the good old days. Some of the newer guys may not know. I like to share such things.
Jan. 12, 2013
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: LET'S PLAY SEVEN

With the new year comes an old refrain, "Let's Play Seven Innings." Recent rule changes in Major Plus might help, but it isn't at all certain dropping home runs from 12 to 9 and runs per inning from 9 to 7 will be enough.

Some questions:

1) Why not stop the clock every half inning for just 30 seconds to give teams a little cushion? Players should not stroll on and off the field, but they should not be forced to sprint on and off either. At the end of 30 seconds, umps start the clock again. This could allow up to 7 additional minutes to complete the game.

2) Softball is NOT a time clock sport. Those sports that are ALWAYS have instances where the clock is stopped---free throws in basketball, time outs, incomplete passes in football, penalties, etc. If you're going to run softball as a time clock sport, why not stop the darn thing once in awhile?

3) Everyone understands the need to stay on time during tournaments, but why sacrifice the lifeblood of the game to the false gods of punctuality and profitability? With a 5 game guarantee and a tournament cost of $525 and the math. You're paying over $100 per game and getting the bum's rush. That's shabby treatment of paying customers. You and I are paying customers. Repeat after me, "I want seven inning games."

4) If umpires are paid $25/hour or more to do these games, why not ask them to do a bit more? Some perspective: school bus drivers are trained in CPR, First Aid, Hostage Negotiation, Crisis Management; they are required to pass bi-annual fitness and agility tests, re-certification tests, vision and physical exams, and more. Average salary: less than $13/hour. At almost twice that rate, softball umpires should be able to handle a new wrinkle like stopping the clock intermittently during a game.

5) Competition is usually great for customers. If SSUSA has the lion's share of the business, SPA (and others) have to build a better mousetrap. One of the ways SPA does it is with a guarantee of seven innings in ALL bracket games in every tournament. They hedge that bet with a "mercy rule" and most players I've talked with are fine with that. SSUSA has already conceded this principle with their guarantee of seven innings in all championship games. Why not take the next step and do as SPA does.....a seven inning guarantee in all bracket games for 2013?

SSUSA/LVSSA/SSWC/ISA is to be applauded for its business model, its leadership in providing opportunities for players across the nation, and its tremendous success. They have proven time and again to be responsive to customer complaints and in my experience have always been approachable with reasonable discussion. They have made significant concessions and improvements on many issues, including time limits.

But, they're still missing the mark on this subject---at least in Major Plus. There are solutions and they can be implemented today in time to make 2013 a successful year. Let's institute some changes to make a complete game the rule...and not the exception.

Hey...let's play seven.

Aug. 1, 2012
Topic: Rules of the game

Cal50...about 1 1/2 years ago this situation had reached the intolerable stage. Because it was a "hot button" issue with me, I checked our stats and found a staggering 52% of our games in 2010 had been shortened to less than 7 innings.

To their credit, SSUSA responded by adding 5 minutes to all tourney games, giving us 70 minutes for bracket contests...which is the current standard. That seemed to solve the problem, as we noticed fewer than 10% shortened in accepatable number in my opinion.

But, with the changes to rules involving homeruns and runs per inning effective with the LVSSA/SSUSA merger for 2012, we are back to WAY more than half our 60/Major Plus games being shortened. In this division, if you don't make the finals, forget playing seven innings.

This is a conscious "business decision" for organizers as many have pointed out. The need for staying on time, the costs of umpires, and other factors have been used to justify this clipping of customers. The notion that it is somehow the fault of the players for taking too long to get on and off the field between innings is disingenuous nonsense.

In what other business do customers stand still for such larceny? If you order a 12-oz beer and get 9 ounces, do you take it and sulk...or do you say something?

Consistently shortening a game you are paying almost $100 or more to play is UNACCEPTABLE treatment of paying customers. As strong as SSUSA has become, it's impossible for me to understand why they continue this shabby practice---particularly when SPA has demonstrated for years a more player-friendly approach.

July 29, 2012
Topic: Rules of the game

Just completed the SPA Nationals in Georgia and wanted to report on the pure satisfaction of playing seven inning bracket games. For the importance of seven innings, look no further than the 60/M+ losers bracket final pitting GSF against Mobley/Gin on Field 2W in Dalton, GA.

Going to the bottom of the 2nd inning it was 18-3 the end of the 4th it was 18-15 and 70 minutes had passed. But instead of the dreaded call for "OPEN INNING" in the fifth...we just played ball and what followed was the stuff of dreams.

Mobley pounded out 9 runs in the top of the 6th and took a 29-20 lead into the bottom of the 7th...when lightning struck and GSF scored 10 to win a heart-stopper.

With the win GSF advanced to the finals. If the game had been time-limited, an entirely different result would have been recorded.

I share this with the utmost respect for that Mobley team in the other dugout...they easily could have put us away...that is not the story.

The story is the need for seven innings. Seven innings is a ballgame. Five or six innings because of a time limit is not. Many teams are late-inning closers and need a full seven. Just the day before, a gritty bunch of players from Jim and Joe's battled til the final out of the 7th inning, overcoming a 17 run deficit and putting the tying run at the plate---BUT THEY NEEDED A FULL SEVEN INNINGS TO DO IT.

SPA understands the players want poured rain all weekend and games were weather-delayed 2-3 hours in Georgia...but SPA was still able to honor their guarantee of seven inning bracket games. WHY CAN'T YOU DO THIS, SACRAMENTO???

Tournament entry fees for SPA and LVSSA/SSUSA Worlds are $695. We got 7 games in Georgia...cost per game $99 and change...others only got 4 games...cost per game $174...for that kind of money...and for the sheer joy of playing...shouldn't we get a full seven innings in Las Vegas come September?

June 8, 2012
Topic: Tournaments

GSF decided to add this event to our schedule...dates are Aug 3-5. We figure Master Collision/Scrap Iron will be there...any other 60 Major Plus teams willing to make the trip?

The Western National Championships, along with the Eastern Nationals in Raleigh the same weekend, make up the first step in winning the Triple Grand Slam. Those two winners play a National Championship game during the seeding round of the Worlds and that win is the second step. Winning the World Masters crown in Las Vegas during this year's LVSSA/SSUSA tournament is the final piece.

It has been done before, but it isn't easy. You have to enter the Western (or Eastern) Nationals to have a chance at the Triple Grand Slam.

May 24, 2012
Topic: Rules of the game

Point taken, Bob. I really didn't think you were that cagey, but some of your minions have elevated your motivation in absentia.

No excuse for getting it wrong, however.
May 24, 2012
Topic: Rules of the game

Joe, I take whatever you say so seriously you get your own thread.

If you're going to quote me, please get it right. What I said (years ago) was without the lower divisions paying the freight, "...Major Plus teams would be playing home run derby in the parking lot for a case of beer..."

That's still true, by the way. And nice to know you still remember and are quoting me.

But, I digress. Our team has no East/West player exemptions, although we have explored the possibility. Have not found the right fit.

As for Border Rules, we follow the rules as they are posted. When California teams were restricted from adding out of state players, GSF became an AZ team and was able to add CA thinking by Woody to get around the rule and still stay legit...result? Two World chamnpionship rings in 2009 and 2010. Nifty.

You and I both know Major Plus and Major teams (at least at 60) have only small shades of difference and could be combined easily. The only thing that militates against the combination is the home run rule. Simple equation: too many home runs equals dumb game. Dumb game equals don't want to play it. Dumb game equals managers sandbag to avoid it...and that is the current situation.

I only learned recently Major Plus teams have some of the rule exemptions you are alluding to...I say dump them and make it all one division subject to consistent rules throughout.

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