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, July 1, 2017
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Thrown Ball "Out Of Play"

Duke, if a batter hit a grounder to short, the shortstop bobbles it, picks it up and throws it to first after the batter runner crossed first base and the throw ends up out of play you are correct, that batter runner would get 2 bases from the time of the throw--he gets third.
Bad play all around by that shortstop!!
, June 30, 2017
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Thrown Ball "Out Of Play"

Easy way to remember:
1) A throw that goes out of play from the infield is two bases from the time of the pitch
2) A throw that goes out of play from the outfield is two bases from the time of the throw
There are a couple of exceptions that are explained on pg 49 of the on line SSUSA rule book

, June 27, 2017
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: What is the correct call?

BJ you are correct!! Runner at first was tagging so by rule he is awarded one base. If going out of play is deemed intentional then two bases. The ump told me after the game that she felt the play is just like an overthrow!! Other than that I felt she did a good job.
, June 26, 2017
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: What is the correct call?

Run scores as you describe the scenario. It's a timing play.
Here's one that happened while I was playing in Columbus, OH this past weekend:
Runner on first, 1 out. Fly ball down the left field line. Our left fielder ran over and made a nice running catch in play but his momentum took him out of play.
Umpire called dead ball and awarded the runner third base. Is this the correct call?
, June 15, 2017
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Overthrow on tag up

Garocket, usssa has amended that to make it easier to understand. It's two bases from the time of the pitch on a throw from the infield that goes out of play (unless the hit ball passes thru a fielder first). It's two bases from the time of the throw from the outfield that goes out of play.
, May 26, 2017
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Umpire Got It Wrong - Loudoun VA

Umpires should never show up players. Most times player carry on toward umpires in that fashion out of pure frustration--their team is getting beat, they are having a bad game individually, etc. And when they see what they think is a bad call they take it out on the ump.
The common objection I get to the above scenario is "ump he's gotta break his wrist" Note: if you break your wrist your going to a hospital and it's a good bet you'll be on the injured list for a while.
, May 20, 2017
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: make the call

Not having witnessed the play it's a judgement call by the ump if the runner that came off first interfered with the first baseman making a play. If the ump deemed interference then it's a dead ball,o no runners may advance.
, April 30, 2017
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Umpires- Pitching Rules

Can't say what it's like in Southern California but here in Michigan the umps they use are USSSA umps. Perhaps they aren't prepped enough on the pitching requirements of SSUSA. Just a guess on my part.
, April 29, 2017
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Playing with a 5 man infield...

As one who played the middle for the last 8 years of senior ball and the last several years playing men's ball before that I wil share my insight. Titanhd is basically correct that the theory is the middle man takes the bag on dp balls. That being said on certain hitters that I know are dead pull hitters sometimes I'll tell the secondbaseman or shortstop totake the bag.
, April 17, 2017
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: You make the call.

Coop3636 I believe what you elluded to applies in baseball, at least at the high school level where I'm at. I'm not certain about the major leagues however.
BJ you are correct but I'd only give the delayed dead ball signal (left arm out), not a verbal call while the play continued. Once the play is over then I'd make the verbal call.
, April 16, 2017
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: What is the call? Fair or Foul

Dave is correct, it is a two base award. It's akin to a ball going out of play.
, April 16, 2017
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: You make the call.

This is a judgement call. If the ump feels the batter runner would have made it only to second safely minus the obstruction but then tries to stretch it to third and is thrown out he is in fact out--despite the delayed dead ball for obstruction. If he does make it to,third safely he's at third!!
lb16 is correct again.
, April 15, 2017
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: You make the call.

The Screamer5 and lb16 are correct!! Let's take this further. If the batter-runner gets up goes to second and tries to go to third but is thrown out. Is he in fact out? Keep in mind there is a delayed dead ball signal for obstruction by the first baseman.
, April 15, 2017
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: What is the call? Fair or Foul

Let's change this a bit. Fly ball is hit deep down the left field line. Left fielder is at the fence, the ball hits his glove in fair territory but then goes over the fence in foul territory. What is your call???????
, April 14, 2017
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: You make the call.

No one on, no one out. Batter gets a hit. As he rounds first he accidentally runs right into the first baseman who is watching the play in the outfield. The batter runner gets up and goes back to first. Does the umpire make a call or just call "time" when the play appears to be over?
, April 14, 2017
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: What is the call? Fair or Foul

Based in your description it is a foul ball. The call is based on where the ball is touched.
, April 2, 2017
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: You make the call

BJ it doesn't matter if it hit a player or a bat that are in the field of play in the offensive teams dugout. It's a dead ball and in utrip the lead runner is out or as you posted the SSUSA rule.
Counter to the SSUSA rule, suppose an outfielder was throwing it in the middle of the infield to the cut off man--pitcher. The throw skips by the pitcher into the offensive teams dugout area and strikes a bat leaning on the fence. It would be a dead ball out but since the throw wasn't toward a base to get a specific runner out, who would be out in this situation?
, April 1, 2017
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: You make the call

BJ, a permanently installed bat rack might be one thing(I'd have to see it) but in my scenario it was bats that were leaning on the fence outside the dugout. Perhaps I should have specified it that way, my bad.
I believe rule 8.4(10) you cite would be if an errant throw strikes equipment or a player on the defensive team.
The difference in the exception you cite is instead of the lead runner exclusively being out the runner who the play is being made on is out. Here's the personal play I was referring to: runners on 1st and 2nd one out. Grounder in the hole to short (I was playing short). The ball kicked up and I luckily knocked it down, pick it up and hurry a throw to third for a force that was errant. It rolled by the dugout and hit one of the offensive players standing there in the foot. Ump calls dead ball and lead runner out which is the call as I know it. As I read it if there was a runner at third in that play then what you cite means that runner being the lead runner would not be out and thus go back to third. Similar but not quite the same.
, March 31, 2017
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: You make the call

bond_171513 is correct. Dead ball, lead runner is out. It is an SSUSA rule as well because it happened to me in Vegas a couple years ago.
Bond is also correct about keeping gloves off the front of the dugout. I will add all bats and players are to be in the dugout. In u-trip it is stressed IN THE DUGOUT, one on deck only. It doesn't matter if it's a coed rec league or an nit, in the dugout!!
It's a bit different when I ump the u-trip conference. Two on deck are allowed. And all players bats are in a bucket outside their dugout. If an errant throw hits the bucket, it's a live ball.
, March 31, 2017
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: You make the call

Runners on 1st and 2nd with 2 outs. Batter singles to left field. Left fielder throws home to try and cut down the runner from 2nd. The throw is off line and strikes the offensive teams bats lined up outside their dugout. What does the umpire call?
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