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Discussion: Why are runs allowed the decider?

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Oct. 27, 2016
BCA80
12 posts
Why are runs allowed the decider?
So many tournaments use runs allowed as the deciding factor for seeding when teams have the same record. I'm not writing to complain about this, just wondering the rationale. It seems to me that runs allowed in softball is more about how well your opponent hit than the defense you may have played. Any one know the reason that most tournaments use this instead of either runs scored or run differential?
Oct. 27, 2016
DaveDowell
Men's 70
3777 posts
BCA80 ... The rationale for SSUSA sanctioned events is simply based on a sportsmanship issue ... We choose to reward defense ("Let's hold these guys and help our seeding!") rather than rewarding offense ("If we can put up a couple touchdowns in the open inning against this obviously over-matched opponent, it will help our seeding!") ... Run differential may also be somewhat impacted by whether or not a team bats in the bottom of the 7th, especially if the flip-flop rule has been invoked .. Any winning team has to stop their opponent in seven -innings at bat, a fairly consistent approach ... It's not a sophisticated theory and not likely to change anytime soon, but it works for us ...

Oct. 27, 2016
BruceinGa
Men's 70
3207 posts
One reason runs scored isnt used is because many times the home team doesnt bat in the bottom of the last inning.
That might make teams think twice about choosing home team.
Oct. 27, 2016
Jawood
Men's 50
937 posts
The 7th inning, or the last inning shouldn't count for run differential unless both teams hit in it.
Oct. 27, 2016
DaveDowell
Men's 70
3777 posts
Jack .. That may be a sound theory, but it's not feasible to have Directors parsing each and every game card, especially when they may be calling another Director (like me) with scores to do their seeding calculations ... The run differential tie breaker is seldom employed, and only in the super large brackets of like 40+ or more in Las Vegas ...
Oct. 27, 2016
DCPete
407 posts
So winning 15 - 14 is actually better than winning 30 - 15, really???
Oct. 28, 2016
SSUSA Staff
3195 posts
Yep, but only as it may occasionally relate to the second to last tie-breaker, just ahead of "coin toss" ...
Oct. 28, 2016
BCA80
12 posts
Thanks for that answer, Dave. I've always wondered.
Oct. 31, 2016
XLR8
9 posts
Makes no sense to me. Why? We played a tournaments at 50AAA with less than 10 teams participating. SSUSA included one 55Major, and one 50Major+ teams in the same bracket for all pool and bracket play. We played 3 games on Friday and we were the only 50AAA team to play once against the two aforementioned teams. See where I am going with this?!? I believe the 55M and 50M+ teams are EXPECTED to score more runs than a 50AAA team. We lost both games, thus, qualifying as a low seed going into bracket play. Why? Run differential (scored against) they said. We played the same 2 teams Saturday. Hmm! Move on...compete...enjoy the game...live life...Be blessed.
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