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Jan. 13, 2012
Webbie25
Men's 60
1983 posts
Tebow
I understand CNN just did a poll and Tim Tebow moved ahead of Jesus into the number 2 religious spot. With his success with John 3:16, (316 yard against the Steelers), he's now promoting a new passage in the Bible-Mark 5:21. Good luck, Tim. Patriots watch out.
The man is real in his belief. Not like that football player that dropped a game winning pass and tweeted to God, 'how could you do me like this---'. Whew! They say 86% of us are believers. Let's not lose this and allow 14% to continue taking away any sign of our beliefs in public like the Ten Commandments and Nativity Scenes.
Jan. 13, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Till shown otherwise I will believe he is sincere in his beliefs. Now the frequent public displays might be a bit over the top, but that might be another discussion.

However, and I wonder this in many cases not just with Tebow, by thanking God for apparently having something to do with his success is he saying God does not care quite as much about his opponent? That God just helped him a little bit more? How does he rationalize his God-fearing opponent losing while he won? This is a very slippery slope.
Jan. 13, 2012
Pricer
Men's 50
622 posts
Let's leave him alone. He didn't create all this hoopla. He's been doing this for quite some time. Now folks have a dislike for him because everyone(media) has played this to death and they need to fill some air time.
Jan. 13, 2012
Garocket
Men's 55
157 posts
This is my take on the Tebow thing.

He does believe in his faith, nothing wrong with that. Actually I think that is a good thing.

He does not go to great lengths to exploit his beliefs. The media could cut this by 75% if they just did not show him on the sidelines taking a knee with his head down. Players have done this for years and nothing was said.

But its like the cameras are on him and the instant he takes a knee or drops his head in the least, they want to make a big deal and say OHH he is praying again.

How many baseball and football players the instant they do something good they look up to heaven and pound their chest and raise there hands toward heaven. But very little is said about that.

I have heard many pro athletes say in post game interviews start out with
"I would like to 1st thank jesus or God for my talents" or other lines like that.


It seems the liberal media knows that Tebow is a devout Christian and they want to bring him down as quick as they can.


Is he the greatest thing at quarterback?
NO but he is as good at winning as many other quarterbacks. Rember the great Jamarquis Russell nothing
Brady Quinn nothing yet but maybe soon
Brett Farve took about 5 years before he started winning
Johnny Unitas was cut and then came back to be the best in my book there ever was.

So lets wait a few years then judge Tebow
Jan. 13, 2012
southernson
261 posts
You know if you step back and take a 10,000 view of this media blitz, it's interesting on so many levels. It isn't anything new for us to see here in Florida, we've been watching it for years. Tebow can't do this, he can't do that. Not sure he's the quarterback for the Gators, maybe they need to look elsewhere....what do they end up calling him?

National Champion and Heisman Trophy winner.

His form is bad, his hands are low, his feet move wrong....sad. The same can be said for many a truly great quarterback. But they harped on the kid, so much so my own local NFL team got "Gabberted". Gabberted- verb, means to choose a heartless pretty boy with happy feet for QB with your first draft pick whose success is highly questionable.

Tebow's learning the job on the job, he can't win, but he does, he can't play quarterback, but he does, he can't sustain that next week, but he does.
He can't pass, but he does, and was on the money in overtime, just ask the Pittbugh defense as they turn on their TV sets to watch the game this weekend.

In 57 years, I have never seen the media look so hard for an athlete to fail. In fact he's overcome the odds time after time, so much so the media has to admit success, so in lieu of that it now mocks him.

Would that have happened to a Steve Young, a Joe Montana, a Bert what's his name, oh yeah, RothlesIwasterriblelastweekend, any long discussion about his feet this week? No, Bert was hurt, that's it, story over. Go wreck another motorcycle, go paw another babe in the bar, that's OK, we'll chuckle quitely and move on.

But not Tebow, it's on the screen so much it's a human reaction to be tired of it. Why does Tim get this type of treatment from the media?

Because this supposed simpleton actually doesn't think that a strange explosion way way back in time brought about the order, structure, and unique design of life as we know it today. Because he thinks that if you take a pile of dirt and throw it on the floor, 5 days, 5 football seasons, 5 million years from now, it's still going to be nothing but dirt on the floor. Because sea cows (manatees for those of you who graduated) didn't one day walk in the barn and become milk cows. Because he doesn't think we all swang from trees, then one day magically woke up with a heart and soul and no longer dragged our knuckles on the ground?

Tebow gets the crap from the media simply for one reason, for what he believes. And as much as I get tired of hearing about it from a purely sports fan perspective, I've never seen a manatee in the barn either Tim.

Either way, as Annie says, "The sun will come up tomorrow, bet your bottom dollar........

Yeah, about that sun, you know, the one that is designed to sustain life in our universe, that provides life to us on Earth it's function and design enables the necessary....well, you know the rest.
That's some pile of dirt, huh?




Jan. 13, 2012
Gallardo
16 posts
UNLEASH Tim Tebow
Jan. 13, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Does he invite the attention? Doesn't appear to.

Does he do anything to discourage or diminish it? Again, doesn't appear to.

He is the flavor of the month, like so many celebrities before and yet to come. His 15 minutes shall pass.

You have to admit, he is the only knuckleball-throwing quarterback we have seen.
Jan. 13, 2012
tg69
309 posts
Why should anyone question his Faith? Maybe,just maybe he should question ours!!!!!!!
Jan. 13, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Your first statment is correct, but not so sure about the second. Who is he to question ours? Some quarterback who kneels down a lot?
Jan. 13, 2012
stick8
1299 posts
I agree Gary19. I've never heard and don't feel Tim Tebow is the kind of guy who would question others about their faith. You can make a case that Tebow needs to work on quarterback mechanics, Tebow would probably admit to that. Mariano Rivera, no stranger to success, is also very open about his Christianity and gives his faith in God all the credit for his success. After each save he points to the sky just like Tebow kneels after every touchdown. You never read about anyone in the media (except maybe some Red Sox nation diehards)
questioning Rivera about his faith. Why question Tebow but not Rivera?
Jan. 13, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
The Tebow stuff will die down soon enough, probably after New England beats up on them tomorrow.
Jan. 13, 2012
steve65
Men's 65
175 posts
God rewards total faith in Him
Jan. 13, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
What if two guys with equal faith play each other? Who gets rewarded?
Jan. 13, 2012
Paco13
373 posts
He is an example of what hard work does for you. The media want him to fail and keep at it until he does...they might be doing for many years, because I believe that he will learn how to throw a real pass rather than a knuckleball pass as Gary alluded. Perhaps he might not become an elite QB but he will be above avarage I believe and be around for few years and make a good leaving; and all due to his hard work.

GO TEBOW...
Jan. 13, 2012
Marv19
Men's 60
444 posts
For Gary 19... John 20:26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27. Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” 28. Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” 29. Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Fact: Tim threw for 316 yards not 317 or 319. The touchdown pass was his 10th giving him 31.6 yards per pass. A new NFL record. AND the TD pass was to a guy born on Christmas day :O) The message here is John 3:16 If your curious look it up!

Have any of you seen the documentary on Tebow after college and leading up to draft night. This man from the very beginning was counted out. His mother was even told to abort him. I don't care if Tim's team wins or looses. He will do it with character. This my friends is what sports should be all about, building character. I have 6 grandsons. All God fearing young men and boys. Do you know how hard it is these days for children in public schools in California? As a sports figure they now have a true roll model to look up to. Its not about winning or loosing its about how we do both with humility and dignity.
Jan. 13, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
I find it interesting how people have run so far with this 3:16 thing, given that his 316 yards were PURELY by chance.

I hope we aren't now saying that only God-fearing people can be humble and dignified. And that only Christians can be role models. Why do I think the disciples of Gandhi would be shocked to hear that?

By all accounts he is a good guy, but "good guys" come in all shapes, sizes, and religious beliefs or lack of.
Jan. 13, 2012
Joncon
289 posts
I wonder what folks would say if a player got on his knees and bowed down toward Mecca after touchdowns or thanked Allah publicly?

I'm thinking they would be uncomfortable.

Personally, I don't care. I don't have any affiliations, I'm just wondering.
Jan. 13, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Joncon, can you say "outrage"? I think "uncomfortable" is an understatement.

Jan. 13, 2012
Lecak
Men's 55
1012 posts
Let's talk some football here. Last year in Seattle the Seahawks surprised the Saints the Seahawks became the darlings of football. They go into Chicago as a double digit underdog and everyone got amnesia and suddenly the Bears were going to be in real trouble. The Bears pummeled them. A clear analogy here playing a home game against an opponent ripe for the taking and then taking that same flawed team Denver on the road into Foxboro has Patriots blowout written all over it. I enjoy the Tebow story but the numbers suggest a Patriots romp.
Jan. 13, 2012
southpaw
Men's 60
733 posts
I certainly do not seek to speak for Tim Tebow, however, as a Baptist Minister and fellow believer, I do have an opinion and perhaps some insight.

I do not believe that he is in his position merely seeking celebrity. So, whether his "notoriety" lasts for 15 minutes or quite a bit longer, I do not believe that he cares one way or another. Except from the standpoint that he believes that God has given him a unique opportunity to share his faith and bring honor and glory to God.

1Corinthians 10:31 may help us here. It reads: "So, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God". I believe this is Tebow's approach to football as well as life.

Question: which is the correct outlook for a believer? 1) I am football player who happens to be a Christian. Or: 2) I am a Christian who happens to be a football player. for me, I believe that number 2 should be all believers' approach. I think that this is Tebow's approach. I think he would conduct himself as CEO or a janitor as he does as a football player. I believe that he understands that it is not about him, but all about his Savior.

Which brings me to my last point. I do not believe that Tebow is thanking God in his prayers for vanquishing an enemy or just completing a pass against a great defense. I do think that he is doing very much the same as we in senior softball are doing--just thanking God for life, for good health, and the talent or abilites to be able to play a game that we still enjoy!
Jan. 13, 2012
salio2k
Men's 60
548 posts
Amen.
Jan. 13, 2012
southpaw
Men's 60
733 posts
Forgive me, one last thought. Win or lose Saturday night, Tebow will be the same man. Also, concerning the "316" hoopla--I think that God has a great sense of humor! He has many in the U.S. talking about it!!
Jan. 13, 2012
oneofeleven18
Men's 50
57 posts
Well said, Southpaw. We all should be that strong
in our faith.
Jan. 13, 2012
Marv19
Men's 60
444 posts
I'll Amen that as well. And I would suspect many are looking up the verse as well. Steve say hello to Ridge for me the next time you see him. God bless and have a great weekend :O)
Jan. 13, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
"Which brings me to my last point. I do not believe that Tebow is thanking God in his prayers for vanquishing an enemy or just completing a pass against a great defense. I do think that he is doing very much the same as we in senior softball are doing--just thanking God for life, for good health, and the talent or abilites to be able to play a game that we still enjoy!"

southpaw, you could be right, only he knows for sure. But let me ask you this. Tebow looked up to the skies and went to one knee literally seconds, if not sooner, after the TD was scored that beat the Steelers. Do you think, if that pass had instead been picked off and gone for a touchdown the other way, he would have reacted just the same? You know, just thanking God for life, good health,............... After all, even if they had lost he still would have been alive and healthy.
Jan. 13, 2012
5ToolsinOhio
Men's 50
160 posts
Ne 38 Den 6.
Jan. 13, 2012
armiho211
Men's 70
410 posts
I dont know if tebow was doing the prayer pose in college. if he was, then he is not show-boating. i havent seen him trying to get anybody else involved in what he does. let him be and admire his belief in his religion. the same liberals that are trying to stop prayers in schools and removing the word " GOD " from all public institutions ARE now trying to invade the sports world. these people are in the minority and are beginning to be a nuisance to the majority. why politicians and judges listen to these idiots is beyond me. THE LIBERALS NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE " DOG " WAGS HIS TAIL, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. STRICTLY MY .02C
Jan. 13, 2012
DMac
Men's 60
185 posts
Having spent time in the military, I cannot help but wonder how great Tebow would be as an officer. Do you think his troops would follow him? If you have even spent one minute in the military you already know the answer. He would be awesome.
We spend so much time bemoaning the loss of heroes and role models for today's youth. One comes along and we crum on him because he points at the heavens and credits God for his success. Would you rather have him taunt his opponents?
Lighten up on the guy. If you are not that much into religion then appreciate the kid for taking an ordinary team to the playoffs. If you do believe that God is actually involved in our earthly affairs then I suggest taking the points and betting your balls off.
Jan. 13, 2012
DMac
Men's 60
185 posts
P.S. You guys are old enough to remember Billy Kilmer and Joe Capp. A quarterback needs more than a cannon for an arm.
Jan. 13, 2012
DoubleL10
Men's 65
833 posts
Frankie, Well said.

DMac,yes I am old enough to remember Billy Kilmer and Joe Capp. Those wounded duck passes were ugly but they got the job done!
Jan. 14, 2012
southpaw
Men's 60
733 posts
Gary19, in response to your question--You answered it yourself--"Only he knows for sure".

I do not believe Denver will beat New England; let's just see how Tebow responds there.

I have nothing more to say on the matter, thanks.
Jan. 14, 2012
Pricer
Men's 50
622 posts
I still prefer to watch Tebow after a touchdown then watch these players dance the jig or act like total idiots in the endzone.
Jan. 14, 2012
Omar Khayyam
999 posts
I played for years on a softball team that began every game with prayer. We did not do a ritual prayer, like the Lord's Prayer, nor a pep-talk prayer, and not once do I remember anyone praying that we would win the game. We prayed for calm spirits, to do our best, to play with integrity, to be good sports, and for no serious injuries (must have been beyond our faith to pray for NO injuries:=). We would often invite the opposing team to join us in our pregame prayer, and sometimes they would accept and we would pray at home plate. You can bet that neither team was praying to win, but for the qualities I expressed above. I would suspect Tebow's prayer after a game does not change, whether he wins or loses, but is a prayer for having done what he could, for the commitment of his fellow players, for the good health and fortune to play ball at such a high level.
Jan. 14, 2012
salio2k
Men's 60
548 posts
Win or lose, my teammates and I have joined many post-game prayers at the pitcher's mound, especially at the SPA tournaments. If it happened to be the last game, we prayed for a safe journey home to all.
Jan. 14, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
southpaw, I think we will find out tonight. Watch after he throws a pick and see if he takes a knee before he leaves the field.
Jan. 14, 2012
stick8
1299 posts
Many years ago, late 70's to be exact I got into distance running as a conditioning type thing. I was challenged by a friend of mine to run a marathon with him and as dumb as I am, I accepted his challenge. Before the race (which had over 3000 entrants) some guys formed a circle and they spoke the runners prayer: "Dear Lord if you can pick'em up I can lay'em down". So I looked up to the sky and said the same prayer. Six and a half hours later by the stroke of luck I finished the marathon. Not saying it helped but I thought it was a neat prayer.
Jan. 14, 2012
Jawood
Men's 50
798 posts
This is all media driven. He sucks as a quarterback. He's basically a runningback that throws the ball once in a while. Just 2 games ago he was 6-22 for 60 yards. Denver has been incredibly lucky to win as many games as they have even though they do have a good defense. As much as I can't stand New England, I hope they kick Denver's ass and we can be done with this!
Jan. 14, 2012
Gallardo
16 posts
Love Tebow..... but the miracle run ends tonight.
Jan. 14, 2012
tg69
309 posts
Im not a Tebow fan myself but he gives all he has, both from the heart and his faith. Win or lose tonite hes still a WINNER.
Jan. 14, 2012
Gallardo
16 posts
TRUE that!
Jan. 14, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
If he loses tonight, he loses. NO winning in that!

Why do so many act like he is the only athlete who has faith in something? So they are all winners? What is sports now, like politically-correct tball?
Jan. 14, 2012
Freddie
Men's 55
108 posts
Webbie as to your ratio 86% to 14%, if you were a grunt in Vietnam, that ratio would of been 100-0. It's amazing when we are in danger or experiencing hard times how many people start praying.

God Bless You All
Jan. 14, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
As I think about it, Tebow is a Heisman Trophy winner and a first round draft pick. Wouldn't it be a much bigger story if he didn't have any success? I know those don't guarantee anything, but still he has all that pedigree for success.

Real stories are sixth round picks like Tom Brady winning multiple Super Bowls, or 17th round picks like Brian Sipe becoming a league MVP.
Jan. 14, 2012
southernson
261 posts
No you didn't, please tell me no you didn't. Brian Siiiiiiiipe?

Yeah Denver will lose, but Brian Siiiiipe? Oh God that's pitiful. Yeah, great career. Certainly one of the 1100 names that comes to my mind when I think of great quarterbacks. Say right after that watermelon headed big gouk from the other side of my neighborhood when I was 16...!! Brian Siiiiipe??

Thanks Gary, I'm in tears, whoa buddy, Brian Sipe? Last stop I remember, Jacksonville, World Football League.

Brian Siiiiipe??? Holy s&*tolla, Brian Sipe?

God, the dog is going crazy, he barked out, Brian Sipe? Gotta wake up the girlfriend, she won't believe this one. Brian Sipe?

Nice, yeah, nice. Really fills the room with an echo, Brian Sipe.

Hilarious....
Jan. 14, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Just curious, how many NFL MVP awards do you have? You can trivialize him all you want, doesn't do anything to my original point.

And please let me know in 10 years, or less, who had the better NFL career between Sipe and Tebow.
Jan. 14, 2012
Lecak
Men's 55
1012 posts
DMAC,southpaw,the rest please make sure to play in Vegas as a resident I would love to you guys pass by drop a few bucks on your favorite player and teams. Multi billion dollar monuments were built on all types of reasons to bet a team and follow players. Also keeps my tax rates low. DMAC who do you like tomorrow?
Jan. 15, 2012
Webbie25
Men's 60
1983 posts
This has been as interesting as I thought it would be. Gary, of course, lived up to his lengthy and repetitive reputation, but some of you others get it. Did I REALLY think they would beat a team like the Patriots with Brady being as hot as he has been? No, of course not. But, stranger things have happened is sports. The bottom line is, whatever you think of him, there are way too few good guys in sports today. It's all about money and ego and in your face attitude, and that's what our kids are learning, too. To have a guy that really seems like a good guy as a role model is too rare any more, and I support him for that. I believe that was his 16th game as a starter-1 season-as a rookie and he went 8-5 the end of this year. How many rookies from any team have done that? Their defense was great at times. Maybe his desire to win and that intangible something that some guys have that enables them to pull out victories inspired their defense to play better knowing they had a guy that tends to do that. The bottom line for me was it has made for an interesting story. Who knows where it will go? He may actually learn to get rid of the ball inside of 10 seconds some day!
Jan. 15, 2012
tg69
309 posts
Webbie,your right on.I am so sick of so much of F that,M F this and G D that it is refreshing to see someone like TEBOW not ashamed to show his true emotions and faith in front of the world. He may not be THE BEST quarterback in the league, but he is in the top 28.I dont think there is ANYBODY on this board that is any better than him or has EVER been any better than him.If so,I will apologize so therefore,YES, he is still a WINNER!!!!
Jan. 15, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Is he one of the best quarterbacks in the world? Sure, all NFL QBs are.

Is he a well-below average NFL QB? No doubt.

And now he is a winner because he is better than a bunch of old softball guys? My, how low the bar for winning must be to some.

I missed it last night, did he go to one knee after his lost fumble or any of their many drives that were stopped by the Pats? Of course it is fine that he has faith, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking he is the only one who does, or he has anymore than most. I would just like to see him "Tebow" in the middle of the field after a failure like he does after success, might make the faith look a bit more sincere.
Jan. 15, 2012
mad dog
Men's 60
3937 posts
as much as i am a patriot fan,guess what,tebow is only second to tom brady for their record in their first 15 starts,brady 12-3,tebow 9-6,neither of the manning brothers can say that,nor can rogers........ in fact all three had a very miserable first 15 starts.......
Jan. 15, 2012
Jawood
Men's 50
798 posts
Dan Marino went to the Super Bowl in his rookie season. Tebow is the worst throwing quarterback in the NFL, including the back-ups. Thanks goodness this crap is over, I couldn't stand watching and listening to it on ESPN and the NFL network for another week.

Having said that, he didn't ask for all this attention from the media, I don't see what the infatuation is.
Jan. 15, 2012
southpaw
Men's 60
733 posts
The French philosopher, Pascal, stated: "Natural knowledge must be understood to be loved. Divine knowledge must be love to be understood."

Jesus said: "He who hath ears to hear, let him hear."

Are we listening?
Jan. 15, 2012
salio2k
Men's 60
548 posts
"I missed it last night, did he go to one knee after his lost fumble or any of their many drives that were stopped by the Pats? Of course it is fine that he has faith, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking he is the only one who does, or he has anymore than most. I would just like to see him "Tebow" in the middle of the field after a failure like he does after success, might make the faith look a bit more sincere."

Gary19.......You have made some many stupid statements on here but this one takes the cake.
You think that because a quarterback does not "Tebow" in the middle of the field after throwing an incomplete pass that his faith is not sincere? You're an idiot!
Jan. 15, 2012
Lecak
Men's 55
1012 posts
If he takes a knee then the play is over,the ground cannot cause a fumble.
Jan. 15, 2012
DMac
Men's 60
185 posts
Lecak: I went back over my post and I am stumped how you got the idea I was betting on Denver. I'm guessing that you didn't do very well on the reading comprehension sections in the standarized tests that we all had to take.
Whatever dude; I have thick skin and can stand people poking fun at me.
By the way, I only made one bet today and, thanks to Eli Manning, I was able to ever so slightly raise your taxes. I'll buy you a drink next time I play in Vegas.
Jan. 15, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
"You're an idiot!"

Anytime you want to compare educational achievements, both quantity and quality, let me know.

The point was, as has been stated before and I am sure you read, is he implying when he thanks God for a good play or a win that God must not love the other team, or not as much? And I was told previously that he is only kneeling to give thanks for being alive and healthy, not for the accomplishment.

If that is true, then he certainly should still kneel and give thanks after losses and bad plays, since as far as I can tell after a pick, a fumble or a loss he is still alive and still healthy. Consequently, just wondering if he knelt in the middle of the field right after the lost fumble.
Jan. 15, 2012
salio2k
Men's 60
548 posts
Gary19......Don't waste your education........
Use it to answer your question.
Jan. 16, 2012
Threeoutbandit
25 posts
Gary you really need to get a life and quit being such a cancer.
You try and cause fights and other crap on this board and you have had your butt booted from others because of it. NO ONE CARES WHAT TYPE OF SCHOOLING YOU HAVE HAD, you blow your self up to be this great person and in a nut shell you act like a child with no one to play with. I donot post here often but you have touched a nerve with me and im done with your stupid posting. You question Tim's faith, look in the mirror and question your own before running off at the mouth.

BTW don't bother with a reply post questioning my faith as im a sinner saved by grace but by reading your post I donot think you would understand that very well.
Jan. 16, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
I am called an idiot, and I am trying to cause fights? LOL

Didn't question his faith at all, but questioned his timing of expressing it and the obvious allegations on here that he is one of the few that has faith.

And why would I give a crap about your faith?
Jan. 16, 2012
Threeoutbandit
25 posts
Post like an idiot must be an idiot.

You are questioning his faith by your post.

With out question Gary once again you have more than worn out your welcome and that is starting to show.
Jan. 16, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
You would know.

I am questioning that he only seems to display it so quickly and publicly when something goes well, which begs the obvious question does he believe in those moments God only was kind to him and not his opponents.

By the way, the "as im a sinner saved by grace" comment of yours really tipped your hand.
Jan. 16, 2012
Bomber #7
Men's 60
62 posts
"Anytime you want to compare educational achievements, both quantity and quality, let me know."
Part of your achievements missed were to at least have learned some common sense so as to able at a minimun to pour pi$$ out of a boot. Average compassion and consideration, fellowship, and respect should have been included in that superior education that appears your dad wasted his money on.
Didn't you ever learn common values around the dinner table whenn growing up?
What a piece of work.
Jan. 16, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
You a born-again too, or just comprehension-challenged?

I was told above that he is not on one knee because he won, but to give thanks for being healthy and alive. Fine, but wasn't he still alive after he lost the fumble?

By the way, Tebow is far from the only athlete who falls into this. Not sure I have ever heard a losing athlete interviewed after the competition who immediately thanked God. I take it God is only good after a win? Pretty sad, if true, but that is how it all looks.

Again, where is the thanks after failure? Success is easy to take.
Jan. 16, 2012
tg69
309 posts
What a waste of higher education
Jan. 16, 2012
steve65
Men's 65
175 posts
careful guys--I argued with Gary on another thread and in the eyes of some I was part of the problem----
Gary if you truly believe in God you understand that we are HUMBLE under God. Failure in itself is HUMBLING--I personally thank God everyday for allowing me to use the abilities He gave me for His benefit.
Are you aware that there has been 100 million hits on John 3:16 since this controversy started. I got that stat from Fox so don't hold me responsible for it.
Jan. 16, 2012
Threeoutbandit
25 posts
Yep tipped my hand and proud of it.

To awnser your question Gary,Tim has more than once took a knee on the sidelines after a bad play and prayed about it.

Pull your head out of the clouds and look it up smart guy.

Are you trying to tell us you have never made a great play for a team and celebrated it???

That is what Tim did and he gave thinks to GOD for it, in the same turn he makes a mistake and goes to the sidelines and takes a knee to pray about it.

What more do you want him to do????






Jan. 16, 2012
Threeoutbandit
25 posts
Steve that is 100% part of the problem with people today.
If someone is being a probelm and another try's to put a stop to the problem that person is labled just the same as the problem maker.

Big bunch of butt hurt is all that is!!!

What ever happened to SQUASHING the problem and getting things back to normal?????
Jan. 16, 2012
Lecak
Men's 55
1012 posts
What more can he do? Cover the spread.
Jan. 16, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
steve, don't you mean in the eyes of many?

If he has done that on the sidelines, then fine. Though funny that when it is after a success he manages to do it on the actual field. But this is far from just about him. I often see MLB guys point up to the sky after crossing home after a homer, not sure I have ever seen one do that after strike three.

Not sure what "celebrating" has to do with praying, I see them as distinctly different.

Tebow is the flavor of the month. I am quite sure, when asked, Elway is NOT going to name Tebow as their starter for next season at this point. He understands.
Jan. 16, 2012
steve65
Men's 65
175 posts
like your thinking 3 out----
Jan. 16, 2012
GSWP001
Men's 60
74 posts
My first thought is why does it matter and who really cares? Seems like a sore spot for many to pick on. Let it be and let him live his life. It doesn't hurt anyone.
Jan. 16, 2012
outfielder
Men's 65
58 posts
Why doesn't eveybody stop communicating with this Gary person, all you are doing is feeding his already inflated ego. Apparantly he is of the belief that he far superior to everyone else on the site and every question asked or statement posted is done so personally to him, sounds sort of like someone's ex wife, always gonna have the last word.
Jan. 16, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
outfielder,

"Gary19.......You have made some many stupid statements on here but this one takes the cake.
You think that because a quarterback does not "Tebow" in the middle of the field after throwing an incomplete pass that his faith is not sincere? You're an idiot!"
That seems pretty personalized to me.

"Gary you really need to get a life and quit being such a cancer."
And again..........

Jan. 16, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Hey guys, nice job of taking shots at me and failing to address the questions.

Hmmmm..............
Jan. 16, 2012
Threeoutbandit
25 posts
I did address the question so what is your problem now?
Jan. 16, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
"I am questioning that he only seems to display it so quickly and publicly when something goes well, which begs the obvious question does he believe in those moments God only was kind to him and not his opponents."

"I was told above that he is not on one knee because he won, but to give thanks for being healthy and alive. Fine, but wasn't he still alive after he lost the fumble?"

Sorry for missing them, in which of your posts were these addressed?

Jan. 16, 2012
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
Gary no one but Tim Tebow can answer your question since its directed at him.
By the way, your engineering pedigree is beginning to show again.....
Jan. 16, 2012
steve65
Men's 65
175 posts
James 4:10 says " Humble yourself before the Lord and He shall lift you up" the failure to complete the play successfully is the humbling before the Lord--hence since Mr Tebow is a christian he realizes he has humbled himself---
Jan. 16, 2012
mad dog
Men's 60
3937 posts
by the way,if your gonna quote someone or say someone said this or that,make sure your facts are good....elway said tebow is not going any where,he will be a bronco next year playing QB.....
Jan. 16, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
steve, maybe he does. But why not kneel on the field just as quickly as he does after a score to thank God for that humbling lesson? I just find it very interesting that no one ever points to the sky after strike three.

pup, I noticed you did not say a starting QB with the Broncos.
Jan. 16, 2012
mad dog
Men's 60
3937 posts
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-tebowsfuture

read it
Jan. 16, 2012
5ToolsinOhio
Men's 50
160 posts
Grinch19, I see you have not been to the doctor like you should, the repeating has to scare you at some point.
Jan. 16, 2012
Threeoutbandit
25 posts
Let me quote my self "To awnser your question Gary,Tim has more than once took a knee on the sidelines after a bad play and prayed about it."

What did you not understand?

If you make a great play on the field your going to let out that joy right then, the man makes a bad play on the field and goes over to the side lines and takes a knee with his head bowed doing the same thing just not as fast or in the same manner.

Again I ask what is your problem?? Your question has been awnsered!
Jan. 16, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Tool, understood. If some of these guys could catch on a bit quicker I wouldn't have to keep repeating the lesson.

What didn't I understand? Why he takes the knee on the sidelines after a bad play but not on the field for all to see like after a good play. If it is all about the Lord and faith, why make Him wait some times but not others?

Tebow is just indicative of a lot of the "faith" stuff that goes on. It certainly is not just him. I am still waiting for the first guy to look to the sky after strike threee.
Jan. 16, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Make that "three".
Jan. 16, 2012
Lecak
Men's 55
1012 posts
I've been goofing around with some of the guys DMAC I'll take a coke don't drink. Gary let me help you with the Tebow thing. I had a very good friend years ago who did some nice things athletically and he put it in the most eloquent terms I could understand why athletes thank God. In his words they are keenly aware that they are physically gifted and there is no explanation for some of the gifts. As he stated why was I born with certain gifts and no one else he knew was. He thanked God because no other explanation made sense to him. Made perfect sense to me, even more so after all these years. Some things can't be taught, height, body structure, speed, I watched Gronkowski he has hands like two garbage can lids with fingers what an advantage according to my friend most athlets are keenly aware they are fortunate.
Jan. 16, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Fair enough. I am just not sure why these thanks have to be public displays.

I once saw Clapton in concert, clearly he has a gift as well, I just don't recall him thanking God on stage after the concert.
Jan. 16, 2012
Threeoutbandit
25 posts
Dear sweet lord Gary you just keep on and on, Clapton????? REALLY.
Jan. 16, 2012
southpaw
Men's 60
733 posts
Amazing! This discussion seems to be a microcosm of our country right now, concerning the faith of Tebow as well as other related subjects in politics, social and cultural concerns, etc.
Jan. 16, 2012
tg69
309 posts
Gary,you have a gift too.Bad thing is that no one else gets it but you.
Jan. 16, 2012
Webbie25
Men's 60
1983 posts
Southpaw, I am also amazed. Gary-it wouldn't be a public display if the media didn't choose to cover it and watch for it. I'm pretty sure Tebow doesn't go over to the cameraman and say,' hey, I'm going to do it! Get the cameras over here.'
This sure beats the heck out of coverage for stuff like Tiger Woods and his problems, or drug abuse, or steroid abuse, or getting arrested for DWI, or arrests for stuff like Kobe Bryant and OJ and Ron Artest and Ben Rothlesberger and...and...and....

And the other thing that even more amazes me is that this issue has split so much along party lines.. ARE YOU KIDDING??
Jan. 16, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Mark, I absolutely agree the media and the born-agains have kept this going. Now, thankfully, his 15 minutes is done. But keep in mind, while I know he has not asked for this, he has also not done much if anything to discourage the coverage.

Three, well I would have used Justin Bieber, or Miley Cyrus, or Selena Gomez, or Pitbull as examples if they had any discernible musical gifts.
Jan. 16, 2012
tg69
309 posts
So lets get this straight Gary, your saying Tebow is only doing this for attention Right. So that might explain why you have posted 26 times on this one thread.Right. Maybe for some attention. Give it a break and use some of your GENIUS for some good for a change.
Jan. 16, 2012
Threeoutbandit
25 posts
So Gary your saying Justin Bieber, or Miley Cyrus, or Selena Gomez, or Pitbull have no gifts given to them to do the things they do?????

Your making this into a bashing party against a Christian Tim Tebow.

To prove this point I quote you "Mark, I absolutely agree the media and the born-agains have kept this going"
What does being a born again Christian have to do with your question you were looking for a awnser for????

Why should he discourage the media from seeing him on the field????????
Because he beleaves in Jesus Christ and show it??????

If this is what you think then please change your name from Gary19 to Judas19.
Jan. 16, 2012
Webbie25
Men's 60
1983 posts
I said nothing about the 'born-agains' as you put it. And who is even able to discourage the media if they get it in their mind to cover something. They will be hiding under your bed to cover a story they want to, and won't cover a story, even if newsworthy, if they don't want to.
And when did the phrase 'born-agains' get to have a negative connotation. There are many people who believe that to their core. How is that a negative thing? And what gives you the right to disparage their beliefs? And don't say you didn't-the whole tone of that sentence was negative. The media is an entity with an agenda and deserves it, but believers don't deserve that.
Jan. 16, 2012
5ToolsinOhio
Men's 50
160 posts
After the game, the king and the pawn go into the same box.
Jan. 17, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
I am not sure attention is the only reason, never said that. What I did say, and please clear it up for me if you can, is I have not seen or heard him do anything to quell it. Does he have to? Probably not. But if he doesn't then that appears to me to be tacit acceptance of the "phenomenon".

Three, I would not call anything they have "gifts". Well, a couple of them are kind of cute if you count that as a gift. But nothing the level of Clapton.

Not "bashing" at all, just wondering if when he so publicly thanks God for success he realizes he is also saying that God smiled upon him more than on his opponent. What does he think his opponent's relationship with God is at that moment? C'mon guys, a little bit of deeper thinking won't hurt any of you.

Mark, would he be successful in this discouraging? Perhaps not. But the appearance of trying would not hurt him at all. I don't believe I used "born agains" negatively. Is that not what they call themselves?
Jan. 17, 2012
tg69
309 posts
Probably not,BUT. Perhaps not,BUT .Maybe not, BUT. I challenge all, including myself, not to respond to this argumentitive self proclaimed GENIUS any more and let him be the LAST WORD!!!!
Jan. 17, 2012
Bomber #7
Men's 60
62 posts
tg----------best challange post ever on this site. Several have already done it,but,for the betterment of this site, let his last words stand unanswered! One step further would have been to ask SSUSA to have as much credibility as Softball Fans and ban this self inflated ________.
Jan. 17, 2012
Threeoutbandit
25 posts
Bomber I could not agree more!
Jan. 17, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
I would think you guys, to honor the military time of so many posters on here, would not so quickly advocate Communistic censorship.

You two disappoint me. =(
Jan. 17, 2012
outfielder
Men's 65
58 posts
AMEN, may he rest in agony
Jan. 17, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Ah, another who disrespects the brave soldiers who fought for our liberties.

Did you read Pravda too?
Jan. 17, 2012
outfielder
Men's 65
58 posts
The Amen was not for our brave men and women in the military, that Amen was for you Gary, and that means let it rest
Jan. 17, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Rest in agony????? Gee, thanks. =(
Jan. 17, 2012
Threeoutbandit
25 posts
Gary you about to touch a nerve with me that you donot want to touch. Keep you mouth shut about or men and women who are serving this nation. There is no need to even bring them into this and by the way your talking I 100% doubt you have EVER served. My grandfather in WW2, my father in vnam and both of them talked me out of serving due to my father knowing about the upcomming issue with Iraq at that time. You talk of liberties and that is just a word to the likes of you to use in a debate your having you arse handed to you in. You mite have a degree, but you lack the one thing most book smart people lack..........go old common sence!
Jan. 17, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Correct, I never served. But my son, after 2 tours in Iraq, will be leaving for Afghanistan in March. And he would never take the petty offense that you are to what was said. My gosh, you sound a lot like Nicholson in A Few Good Men. At least you didn't say "You want me on that wall. You need me on that wall".

No, my common sense is just fine, so is my spelling. But I am not surprised you went to the one card people without education often futilely throw at people who have it.

Simple point is the guys you speak of fought for, among other things, free speech that you seem to so easily want to deny me. That is just very interesting.

By the way, you haven't handed me my "arse" or anything else except for a good chuckle. Thanks!
Jan. 17, 2012
steve65
Men's 65
175 posts
Guys I tried to get a certain individual removed from this site when he called me a SOB---I was told he has the right to freedom of speech---and was advised that if everyone ignores him he will go away on his own---do not be like me and fall into his trap and argue with his ignorance--
Jan. 17, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
"ignorance"?????

I will make you the same offer I have made others who mistakenly went there.

Jan. 17, 2012
Threeoutbandit
25 posts
Gary your a lost prick that never had a chance in the first place.
Keep running that mouth and there will come a day you run into one of us you insulted with your vast wisdom. We shall see on that day if your vast wisdom can save your arse from being handed to you!!!!

I for one beleave Gary is a cancer and like all cancers should be eradicated.
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