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Discussion: TOC Qualifying Is A Joke!

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April 28, 2008
Men's 60
34 posts
TOC Qualifying Is A Joke!
My question is: Should age groups be mixed when qualifying for a berth for the TOC?

My Senior Moments team withdrew from the 60 AAA Spring Nationals after the seeding play due to the fact that a 55 year old team was allowed to play in the elimination round. The manager of the 55 team said they were already assured a spot in the TOC just by showing up.

If a 60 team is required to play a 55 team to qualify, why can't the 60 team add 55-year-old players to their roster? There is no logic to allowing age mingling when a TOC bid is at stake. I don't have a problem playing the younger teams in seeding, however, elimination games are for the true age bracket.

The competition did not factor in our decision to withdraw. We actually defeated both the other 60 AAA teams and lost the 55 team by only 1 run in the seeding games.

Although the other teams agreed that the policy was not logical, they decided to play. I congratulate the winner.

It is understandable why participation in SSUSA tournaments is down when you never know what to expect when you arrive to play. I know my Senior Moments team will not be participating if this policy and format continues.

If I am off base on this issue, please accept my apologies. But if you have encountered the same, please voice your opinion.

Shelby Simmons
Senior Moments 60 AAA
April 28, 2008
Men's 65
4549 posts
To quote a paragraph from an article by TH " Being competitive means teams have a CHANCE to win. It does not mean a GOOD Chance to win; it means on a good day they MIGHT win."
Perhaps that was one of those honestly, I thing the 60AAA team playing a 55 team ( AA ?? most likely) is felt an even match by them. Usually is. however if you add 55 players to a 60's team your actually a 55 team, can't call it anything else. Or go the other way add 75 year olds and call it a 75's team... not going to fly with any one, will it.
Been there.
April 28, 2008
Men's 55
108 posts
Just finished the Southwest Championship in Tucson. There were 4 55 AAA & 2 60 major teams in our bracket. The highest finish in each age group got berths to TOC
April 28, 2008
1 posts
I just want everyone to know, that the 55AA Team entered in the Spring Nationals in Polk County NEVER said that we had an automatic bid to the TOC.. We were told up front that since we were the only 55AA team that we would play up against the 60AAA since they only had three teams.

We did not mind that. As information and for the record, our "55" team has 2-61 year old, 2-60 year old, 2-59 year old, 3-58 year old and 2-56 year old. The two 59s will be 60 this year....

So when you check to see who is going to the TOS from the Spring Nationals, we didn't get the bid, because we lost to a team that the Senior Moments beat!!!

In fact we were told that this team had received an automatic bid after beating the remaining 60AAA team, since Senior Moments left the tournament, and we had to beat them in order to get a bid.... So Senior Moment lost out on an opportunity to get a bid had they stayed...

Our team should be upset because we had to play up a division... How many home runs were hit by the 60s team.. I can tell you this more then we did... We didn't hit any... In fact we may have had one ball off the bottom of the fence and that's it... We should be complaining because we are a ligitimate 55AA team and since there were no other 55AA teams, we should have got the TOC invite and acted as a fourth team in the 60AAA for competition..

But we didn't get the invite and we didn't win, but we stayed and played all our games. The SSUSA made their decision and we have to accept it.

Sometimes you just have to take the field and play ball...
April 29, 2008
Men's 60
34 posts

My post was not meant to reflect on any team, especially your team. You did what they let you do. I respect every player on your team and know many of them personally.

The "automatic bid" is a mute point. The point is that there should be NO co-mingling of age groups in a TOC qualifying event.

I have expressed my feeling and will live with my teams decision. I will move on to the next 60 AAA tournament and wish all of you good luck.

Shelby Simmons
Senior Moments 60 AAA
May 1, 2008
Men's 65
1000 posts
It amazes me to read all the critique and negative feedback that constantly goes on. In Tucson, we had 3 55AA and were merged in with 3 60AAA teams. Bottom line, Robson Ranch , 60AAA won it all and earned it, in my opinion. They beat us 3 times and we're a good 55AA team.

Get over it.
May 6, 2008
Men's 60
160 posts
I know and have played with Secert Moments and while I don't think dropping out of a tournament for the reasons stated above, it was not the competition it was trying to make a statement. But being "All about the money" these things don't change and it we want to play this game in their tournaments we need to play by their rules, even if it is not always right.

For our 60 Major division, it was just like Florida Half Century, we had the same three teams we play each month, every month, every year.. SSUSA needs to do something differant to get MORE teams,

ie: One great suggestion is let the pior TOC winner pay the entrance fee and fight for their win. Out of 5 teams in our bracket, 4 were the same, yes, same FHC teams we see each and every month.

But I still love to play.
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