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June 29, 2009
Men's 50
11 posts
Crabtown Classic
The 50+ Major bracket was won by Frederick Chevrolet. They fought their way back through the loser's bracket to "double dip" a tough IMS Dogs team. The only complaint of the tournament was with the inconsistancy of the rules as far time limits and the free run rules. other then that, everything ran smoothly. Oh, except for a 35 minute sun delay on saturday after noon.
June 29, 2009
238 posts
Congrats to High Street.
A few areas that need to be addressed as improvements include: 1) not allow different classificatins to play in double elimination rounds - that is why they exist. It is not right for teams to be eliminated by higher classification teams. this is a big problem and one that needs correcting or let teams know prior to sign ups. It must have been an oversight and not greed in not having to shell out $ for additional trophies. 2) Once again the pitcher protectin rule was a problem some of the managers and some of the umpires do not know the rules and it once again caused agruements on the field while time ran out on clock.

Areas of excellence include: field conditions and the vast majority of individuals for their sportsmanship.
June 30, 2009
Men's 50
11 posts
I agree, the protection for pitchers rule has some clarification issues. The umpires, players and coaches all seem to have their own ideas of how the rule works. Everyone needs to get on the same page. There are two easy ways to fix this problem. But no one would ever agree to either. The first would be to get rid of the "senior" bats and use "u-trip" stardards bats and second would be to use a pitching screen.
June 30, 2009
Men's 60
105 posts
I played for Sweet Construction 55 and 50. I do have a couple of complaints. One, having to play AAA with Major teams in our double elimination. Even though we stunk in our first game of elimination we played a Major team and got knocked down into the losers bracket.
We had a number 3 seeding and had to play the number 5 team. Never does 3 play 5. With 10 teams 8-9, 1 plays winner, 7-10, 2 plays winner, 4-5, 3-6.
Lastly, I do not like the pitcher protection rule. I got nailed three times with having the batter called out once. I like to back up and believe if they are going to use the rule, I should be able to go back as far as I want within the plane of the pitchers rubber. I always say to the batter no problem it is part of the game when I get hit.

Mike Santo
June 30, 2009
Men's 50
303 posts
I thought the Crabtown Classic was well run. There were some minor issues but it happens at times.

Since my team is Major Plus we played against major teams in the DE. There were no other Plus teams there.

We did give the major teams 5 runs and in one game that was the differance so I think that rule works the way it was
designed to.

At least we got a chance to play.
June 30, 2009
17 posts
Congratulations to High Street Bucs and Romans on a successful Crabtown Classic tournament. As a major team we had to give these two teams as all the other AAA teams we played 5 runs and they didn't seem to have any problem with winning. Although all the teams in the 55 division play very competitively - major & AAA - against each other, I believe the 5 run rule is a good equalizer.
July 1, 2009
Men's 50
11 posts
It is a difficult situation. Triple A teams playing against Major plus teams. I play Major Plus for Fredericks, and to honest, there's not that many tournaments for us to play in that have a good number of teams at our level. I think a better equalizer would be the "1 up" Hr rule. We played that earlier in York, Pa and it seemed to work just fine. Again, I'm new to this senior softball, and the biggest problem I see are all the different rule inconsistancies. I'm 50, so I've only played in 3 or 4 tournaments so far and at times I have a hard time following the rules because they change so much throughout a single tournament. This needs to change! Tournament directors and umpires ALL need to get on the same page.
July 1, 2009
Men's 50
303 posts
Hey #20 Glad to see you on this site!

Steve D. is going to post on your board for me. I sent him an article,
say look for it sometime today!

Nice Tournament!
July 1, 2009
Men's 55
248 posts
From all of us in the High St. Bucs organization, thanks for the congratulations. The 55 AAA tournament was very competitive, with 10 very good teams. The first game we played against T.N.T., well, the ump didn't have a clue as to where the strike zone was, and he changed it several times during the game, while the pitch was in the air!. But the umps in the championship round were very good. While all of the teams that we played were very good, I would like to give a big tip of the hat to the Romans. This team played six straight games to take the tournament to the if game. This was a tremendous effort, from a very good team. Great job to everyone!

High Street Bucs 55's
July 1, 2009
360 posts
Very disappointed in how this tournament was run; primarily due to the TD's "attitude". As a AAA team, we played both of our Round Robin games against Major teams & 4 of 6 total games against the Majors. Ridiculous when you consider that 8 of the 10 teams were AAA. When I asked the TD why we were scheduled this way his response was "That's just the way it came out, I didn't give it ANY thought". Connsidering we payed the same $400 as everyone else, we deserved better than a rude, arrogant & inconsiderate answer to a legitimate question.
July 1, 2009
Men's 65
4549 posts
In looking to see which teams were there, I noticed only two are actually shown now:
Men's 50 1 teams
East Coast Softball Club Malverne, NY
Men's 60 1 teams
Jersey Masters Bridgewater, NJ
It's obvious many more were their but not listed, WHY?
How would a team know in advance who they might get pitted up against if there were as many teams as mentioned here, actually playing,
The TD is responsible for the posting or at least getting the info to the home office for all postings for the smaller or home grown sanctioned tournaments. But they Ok it as well thought may not post, But why only post one or two, & not all of them?
That doesn't account for the lack of info provided to the teams going for the bracketing that from what I read here, it seem off kilter.
I may be off base here, but I'm sure not the only one.
TD's should be required to make sure the teams are listed & posted along with which teams are in which age\brackets\divisions. Surprises are rarely liked.
Please correct me if I erred.
July 1, 2009
278 posts
Taits: Don't blame the TD on not posting info to the tournament web site. We (BUCKEYE CLASSIC) were informed they (SSUSA STAFF) only post the teams coming to the bigger tournaments and not the small qualifiers. They posted ours because they had posted in error another qualifiers and told us they will do it for us also.

That said, I agree with you it is the TD's responsibility to keep teams informed. They can easily post the info on the MESSAGE BOARD (teams attending) at a minimum a week before the tournament and post again after the tournament with the results.

It may be too difficult to post on the MESSAGE BOARD schedules and brackets due to the constant changes that happen when one or two teams drop out or new teams decide to enter.

Bottom line it is the TD's responsibility to keep the teams informed prior to the tournament (projected schedule), during the tournament (schedule and brackets) and after the tournament (results)
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