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Discussion: Irony and inequity of ratings

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Sept. 12, 2011
Men's 65
321 posts
Irony and inequity of ratings
A few years ago, the message board carried the topic, "They can't do that!" The thread had an interesting discussion concerning SPA's rerating of The Indy 60's after pool play in the Dalton,GA National Tournament. It's notable that the top 3 teams in this year's 65AA at Dalton are all rated AAA by SSUSA. Any thoughts?
Sept. 12, 2011
277 posts
Let me take a shot at it and I am just guessing.

It looks like the Classics and Seniors were raised to AAA by SSUSA in July. One had just won the Midwest nationals and the other the Brickyard. so maybe that caused the ratins increase along with runs scored and differential.

Both teams were rated AA by SPA last year and I can't find where they played a SPA tournament in 2011 to have their ratings evaluated, so they probably would stay at AA until they win a National or play three SPA tournaments for an evaluation.

Hamel's,I think may have had their AA rating changed by SSUSA after the TOC in February.

Although Hamels played a number of SPA tournaments, the only one they won was THEE Buckeye Classic beating DONNEYBROOK 13-6 in the finals and COSSA 12-7 prior to that. So although winning a tournament, their scoring and run differential over THEE Classic and two other SPA tournaments probably did not justify moving up to AAA.

Despite what people believe. the organizations are not bound to honor another organizations ratings. A perfect example is the ISSA ratings compared to SPA and SSUSA.

Even if a team wins another organization's National championship, other organizations apparently do not have to honor that achievement and raise their rating either.

I do know if there is a major difference in the artings, SSUSA and SPA do communicate with each other to correct the problem if possible.

Hope that helps and again it is just my observation and not a factual response.

Sept. 12, 2011
Men's 55
451 posts
Hmmm.....In 08 after winning the winners bracket late Saturday night at the ISA Worlds, weather canceled the remainer of the tournament. We were awarded the championship and immediately got re-rated to Major??? Was then forced to take our lumps for a minimum of 3 tournaments with at least 6 teams in our division to even be considered for a re-rating.
"Lucy you got some splaining to do"
Sept. 12, 2011
Men's 65
4549 posts
I believe it was 08 when SPA collaborated with SSUSA
(or visa versa) on ratings for that event. Not sure which teams were involved but info was exchanged.
I feel this is a good thing if used in\for more one event to keep ratings current.
Its bad when teams are rated differently in different assn's, yet with primarily the same players. That effects every other team in both brackets in reality.
Sept. 18, 2011
Men's 65
321 posts
Ho, Thanks for your insight. Taits, It was 08, and the collaboration was DURING the tournament, and proved that the team's roster had not changed......SPA rerated that team after the round-robin anyway and SSUSA followed suit after the tourney. Regards to you both, Mel
Sept. 18, 2011
Men's 65
839 posts

I was reading what you wrote, and what you said about playing 3 tournaments with at least 6 teams entered, to get considered for a re-rating. I am not disagreeing on what you wrote, but I heard it was at least 4 teams, but 6 sounds like that would be the correct number.

It just struck me funny after I read it, because my last year's team situation. To make it perfectly clear, I am not disagreeing with anything about our rating and not asking for any consideration for a re-rating. Besides my team being comprised of about 5-6 Major players and about 10 average to above average AAA players, we had 4 players hurt. After our season, 3 of our hurt players were still hurt and 1 went to a 65 team, and 2 moved out of State. The entire team just got red hot in Phoenix and could do no wrong. I have said all of that previously.

To get to my point about what Corky wrote with playing 3 tournaments and have at least 6 teams in your bracket, would have been really funny in our team's situation. When I was in Phoenix last year, the 60 Major Plus teams were playing at the same fields, and all I could hear was how many teams attended, and it was the largest showing of the year. I heard this from several players walking around the complex. While I was sitting there, I thought to myself that there are only 12 teams in the entire USA and other countries. I got up to look at the board to see how many teams were in attendence, and it was 6. Using Corky's situation above, it would take a 60 Major Plus team 3 years to get considered for a re-rating. By that time, the team is ready to play 65's. LOL! I am just an old man, but I thought it was funny. Just thought that I would share that with you.

Andy Smith,
60 Major Plus/55 Major
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