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Discussion: Double or homerun?

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June 11, 2018
OZ40
396 posts
Double or homerun?
Our league's upper division has unlimited homeruns, however a player from the middle division which due to short fences has a 1-up rule regarding homeruns asked me a question today, here's what happened:


Bases were loaded and a player from the team who already has hit a home run hits a deep fly ball which hits the outfielders glove and continues over the fence. In this league division any player hitting a ball over the fence is awarded a double if they are not in a position to hit another home run yet. I thought because of the touch the correct call should be a 4 base award to the batter, however because of the 1-up rule the umpire awarded only a double.
June 11, 2018
DaveDowell
Men's 65
2040 posts
OZ40 ... FOUR-BASE-AWARD ē In SSUSA sanctioned play, which apparently this is not, that would be a 4-base-award ... The most (closely patterned) analogous fact pattern would be a team in SSUSA play being out of HR's and having that happen ... Since, by definition, a 4-base-award is NOT a HR, it's not appropriate to count it as one ... Our call would be 4 runs score on the bases loaded 4-base award ...
June 12, 2018
OZ40
396 posts
Thanks Dave, great minds thinking alike!
June 12, 2018
stick8
1621 posts
Oz in USSSA itís a 4 base error. It doesnít count toward the home run total.
I donít follow the logic of how any umpire could rule that a double.
June 12, 2018
B.J.
420 posts
OZ... (Thanks Dave, great minds thinking alike!) now that is a scary thought...lol
June 12, 2018
Nancy Allen
Men's 55
964 posts
OZ40, thank you for making my day by using the correct terminology of 4 base award. I have a few other terminology pet peeves that players often use, but that is a whole other subject. This is probably the worst one of that bunch. I agree with everything Dave said.

Stick8, we can discuss this in a ballpark discussion where we also plan to save the World.
June 12, 2018
stick8
1621 posts
Nancy, saving the world would be a daunting task!! 🙂
While calling it a 4 base error is different wording, the result is the same, batter is awarded 4 bases.
Question: would you score that a hit or an error in the book?
June 12, 2018
Nancy Allen
Men's 55
964 posts
Stick8, given enough talk time and adult beverage, I think that we could do it. The older guys do it every week at hitting practice. They drink some coffee first and then solve all of the World's problems while doing that. Then they hit.

So you know about Indiana's greatest scorekeeper? I would score it as an error in the scorebook since they got the glove on it and caused the event. Yet I still maintain that the result is a 4 base award.

We played the Worlds in Roseville in 2000. The sun was apparently in the outfielder's eyes. The ball our guy hit got the outfielder directly on the forehead, and it went over the fence off of his head. The umpire wanted to make it a homerun which would be an out for our AA team at the time. It only took me and a director to get him straightened out after about 10 minutes. I told our guy that he needed to buy 2 action shots because somehow the photographer got the picture of our guy hitting the ball and the other guy collapsing to the ground with the ball bouncing off of his head. Classic, like us.
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