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| May 23 Bubble Gum 122 posts | I have read the pros/cons of hot bats. I know about the double first base. I know about the second home plate. ALL OF THE ABOVE ARE ABOUT SAFETY ISSUES. A few months ago I witnessed a hitter running to 1st base after hitting the ball to the 3rd baseman. The 3rd baseman threw the ball wide to 1st base hitting the runner in the head. The runner suffered a concussion. He never saw it coming because he was watching where he was running. Last week as I was running to 2nd base the ball was thrown from the area of the right field foul line missing my head by the narrowest of margins. I was nearly hit in the temple. Never saw it coming! In Fast Pitch Softball at all levels, base runners have to wear batting helmets. In all levels of baseball from Little League to Major League, base runners have to wear batting helmets. SO WHY IS IT THAT IN SLOW PITCH SOFTBALL, BATTING HELMETS FOR BASE RUNNING ARE NOT USED OR REQUIRED? Are you listening SSUSA? |
| May 23 #6 Men's 60 1173 posts | That's what we need to do....keep changing the game we all love to play ! It has been stated on this message board "countless times"..... If you pitch and want to wear protection.WEAR IT ! If you play 1B, or 3B and want protection,WEAR IT ! FOR THE ONES WHO DON'T WANT TO WEAR IT....WHY NOT JUST LEAVE IT ALONE ! It's real simple, want it , wear it !!!! |
| May 23 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | #6, you are 100% correct. Bubble Gum, if you want to wear a helmet go right ahead. NO one is stopping you. |
| May 23 GSWP001 Men's 60 75 posts | Amen. |
| May 23 Bubble Gum 122 posts | Thanks for your reply. But none of you have answered why Slow Pitch softball is exempt from the same rules applied to all other forms of the same game. In baseball, hockey and other sports rules were made making head protection mandatory. How will you feel should you throw a ball that changes somebody's life? Have you been hit and had to take the ambulance to the hospital? Your family wondering if you'll become a vegetable or dead? Also do you have the same attitude toward wearing seat belts in your car? |
| May 23 #6 Men's 60 1173 posts | My answer to why is......were all grown men and know that at "any" moment we could be gone......not by just playing softball, so if you want to wear a batting helmet, be my guest, but don't make the rest of us. We can make up our on minds as to what we think is good for us. I have hit several players with a ball, and checked on them to make sure they were OK. It is a part of the game and things happen. Yes I have been hit and went to the hospital, the player that hit me was there with me the whole time. Seat belts and softball.that is a bit of a stretch, You want to wear a helmet, your choice and good luck ! |
| May 23 Bubble Gum 122 posts | Thanks for your reply. But none of you have answered why Slow Pitch softball is exempt from the same rules applied to all other forms of the same game. In baseball, hockey and other sports rules were made making head protection mandatory. How will you feel should you throw a ball that changes somebody's life? Have you been hit and had to take the ambulance to the hospital? Your family wondering if you'll become a vegetable or dead? Also do you have the same attitude toward wearing seat belts in your car? |
| May 23 Clean Up 68 posts | Talk about Hippocrates! I wonder how many times these geezers have purchased helmets and other safety gear for their kids and grand kids? Can they remember telling them to "Buckle Up"? Do as I say but don't do as I do! |
| May 23 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | i'm like bubblegum,why hasn't anyone answered his question,why is softball exempt from using them,i do know that when i was in Seattle and went north to play in Canada they were required to wear helmets on the bases.so instead of questioning someones man hood please just answer why they are not required for softball,sure makes a lot of sense,hell MLB requires base coaches to wear them...... |
| May 23 #6 Men's 60 1173 posts | WHY.....MAYBE NO ONE HAS BROUGHT IT UP UNTIL NOW ! I won't wear one,........... mad dog.....coming from you, that's funny.......... |
| May 23 Bubble Gum 122 posts | #6 You have indicated 2 things in your last reply. 1) You are a grown man. 2) You are a slow learner! |
| May 23 #6 Men's 60 1173 posts | Hippocrates....................so if we don't agree with you , you go to name calling, I am sure that works for you ! As for as reffering to kids and grand kids, little different.........were grown up men, and like I said, if you want to wear a helmet, mad dog too........both of you knock your lights out and wear one! |
| May 23 #6 Men's 60 1173 posts | And your thinking you know what is best for the rest of us as if we can't make up our own mind. |
| May 23 hombre Men's 60 240 posts | Hippocrates? Great minds think alike. Hippocrates was a Greek physician who was given credit for the Hippocratic oath which deals with the ethical behavior of physicians. I believe that the answer to the question is through many decades of slow pitch softball and thousands of threads on slow pitch softball it wasn't until May 23, 2011 that anyone thought it was of a great enough significance to bring the subject up. Just my humble thoughts on this thread. |
| May 23 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | #6 why would you think this would be funny coming from me.with all the wild throws and such why wouldn't it be a good idea to wear a helmet.i really think there is way to much ego here and this thread shows it.you mock the ones who ask why it was not mandatory.BG only ask why it wasn't,and all you ego maniacs got so defensive about it as if he was trying to make it mandatory,which he wasn't,but still didn't answer his question. |
| May 24 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | This is really pretty simple: 1. The number of deaths or even significant injuries from being hit be a thrown ball in slow-pitch is miniscule. 2. Children are always protected more than adults who can (a) make their own informed decisions and (b) have the wherewithall to be much more aware of what is going on around them than children are. Hence children cannot smoke, drink, vote, or see R-rated movies but adults can. There is a great deal of consistency there. 3. To compare slow-pitch to hockey, football, lacrosse, etc. is a bit of a stretch, if not absurd. No real need for further explanation here. |
| May 24 #6 Men's 60 1173 posts | hombre......GOOD, I agree with you. mad dog,,,,,,you say it not mandatory now....neither was the PPR until all started complaing about hitting the pitcher. It has nothing to do with egos, it's a personal prefference.IF YOU WANT TO WEAR ONE, WEAR IT, DON'T TRY AND GET US TO WEAR ONE !And yes his question was answered.......... Gary19, good post ! "TO WEAR ONE OR NOT TO WEAR ONE, NOW THAT IS THE QUESTION", again want to wear one, wear one. Some of us don't want too ! |
| May 24 #6 Men's 60 1173 posts | LP, Give me your thoughts on the helmet wearing issue. |
| May 24 lemons Men's 65 323 posts | Our game is already over-legislated. As an outfielder, I miss the days when we could wear steel spikes so as not to slip and perhaps cause self-injury. Theoretically, we now wear rubber so as not to cleat, or be cleated on the base paths. Sometimes our rules make little or no sense except to those who have not played the game. Just rambling, Thanks, Mel |
| May 24 Webbie25 Men's 70 2414 posts | lemons-you started my thoughts. We started with mandatory equipment for the pitcher for 'their protection' or sign a waiver. Now on to helmets for baserunners 'for their protection'. Do we then continue the thought? I took two bad hop grounders in the stomach and shoulder area in league. Sure it hurts, but are we going to tell me I have to wear a chest guard 'for my protection'? Or make everyone playing the game wear one 'for their protection'? What about a cup? We all know that one good shot there and we would be talking in a much higher voice. It's not mandatory. Should it be 'for our protection'? Gee, I've gotten more strawberries on my legs, knees, butt, and calves than I could possibly count from diving and sliding playing the game I love. Should we be required to wear sliding pads, heavy duty reinforced pants, butt protector pad and knee pads 'for our protection'? Should we be prohibited from diving, sliding, or charging into a fence to try to make a catch 'for our protection'? What about safety glasses or goggles to protect your eyes? Mouthguards? Where do you draw the line? I don't know why helmets on the base paths have not been required, but I am very glad they haven't. If it does become mandatory, I'm probably done playing. |
| May 24 #6 Men's 60 1173 posts | Webbie25..truer words have never been spoken.....great post..........if you and I stop playing because of this helmet issue...maybe we can meet at the tournaments and play checkers.Wait a minute, a foul ball make come our way and we would have to star wearing helmets to play checkers ! AGAIN, GOOD POST, I can't wait until LP voices his comments on on this. |
| May 24 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | can't believe all the defensiveness about this subject.BG just asked why wasn't it mandatory,nothing else and boy did the testosterone level climb in here.guys you do know most injuries on the softball field come from thrown balls(according to what someone else has posted earlier in the pitcher protection threads).would it challenge your manhood to wear a helmet,why would it be wrong for you to wear one,every other baseball/softball sport has you wearing one,why not slow pitch,just asking.give a good reason not to,not just i'm a man and i don't have to,please lets here the reasons they are not needed..... |
| May 24 #19 Men's 70 302 posts | mad dog, perhaps the defensiveness has something to do with personal responsibility ... Make the choice for yourself without imposing your choice on everyone else. |
| May 24 DCPete 409 posts | BG, the main flaw in your concern is that you're equating a softball with a baseball. A baseball is much harder than a softball & combined with it's smaller size can be hit and thrown much faster than a softball. So you're really comparing apples & oranges. I've seen many guys get hit in the head/face from a thrown softball, including myself, and none of them had much more than a bruise or swelling to show for it. Those same guys might have been killed if they'd been hit by a baseball. |
| May 24 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | #19, great point! mad dog, do you recall the specific study done that was cited in the pitcher protection thread you speak of? |
| May 24 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | no i don't as it was put there by someone against the PPR that ssusa was bringing out,they said it i didn't,just relaying what was said as i remembered it.if you would like to see it,i would suggest you go look it up for yourself. dc mmm not sure about that as i have seen a bunch of injuries of thrown softballs,on another board a guy died from one as he was hit sliding into home trying to score.i have played a lot of baseball and never was hurt by being hit by a baseball as much as being hit by a softball...... #19,the thread was started as why isn't it a rule to wear a helmet in softball,not a should you wear one thread or not.the guy just wants to know why there is no rule,or even whether it was a consideration to have one. my answer might be,that it softball was started by using rolled up boxing gloves and boat paddles,so no need to use one,also it was started back in the early 1900's and that was before even baseball made it mandatory for players to wear a helmet,so prolly was never taken into consideration that a ball(well rolled up boxing gloves) could do the damage it can do to a person,now a days.maybe assoc should take a look into it...... |
| May 24 stick8 1992 posts | Mad Dog & Bubble Gum it's not wrong for anyone to wear a helmet playing ball. Although it unfortunately happens, the reason it's not mandatory is because it just doesn't happen very often. If there were a significant amount of injuries and it was increasing at a high rate then the issue of mandatory helmets might be brought up. |
| May 24 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | stick i have seen more thrown ball injuries than most other's,and when it does happen they are usually very serious,most of the time they are to the head,just saying.....Canada does it in British Columbia,when i played there,and that was back in 1994. yes i know it is up to the individual but hey why not. |
| May 24 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | mad dog, "why not" is because we are all old enough to make our own choices, and don't need others to make them for us. stick is 100% correct, these types of injuries appear to be very few. We all have our own experiences, but I have rarely seen any type of serious injury from being hit by a thrown ball in 37 years that I can recall. Just no need for a rule to cover this. NONE! The choice is the players, as it should be. |
| May 24 #6 Men's 60 1173 posts | rolled up boxing gloves and boat paddles..........who is in the Coor's Light ? |
| May 24 southernson 280 posts | I agree with #6 and others. Please stop the madness....Helmets to run the bases? Sure, the second plate at home and the extra base at first, those make sense. The pinch runners, yep, that elongates the careers and ability to participate over a duration. But the game has been bastardized enough already....Let's see.. - We can't have big innings, go to 5 runs, then stop it so the other guys have a chance to catch up...we'll throw you a bone and give you 14% (1-7) chance of having a big inning in each game - Don't hit thru the middle even if that SOB on the mound pitches you short and outside all day - Team having a good day with the long ball? Stop it, stop it now, don't hit more than 3 or 5 HR's depending on the league, so the other guys have a chance to catch up And now someone want's us to mandate what....wearing helmets? For baserunning? Wait a second, my apologies, I'm wasting time here....gotta go... I need to call Boombah and check on that new design for the checker players in the stands....that's gonna be hot!!! |
| May 24 #6 Men's 60 1173 posts | southerson, Well said........we will keep a spot at the checker table for you..........I will furnish the Bud Light...no mad dog, your not invited. |
| May 24 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | well #6 maybe you should brush up on the history of the game before you speak,as is said "let people think you are an idiot,instead of opening your mouth and proving it".who has been sipping the more suds now........... southern why would it be a bastardization of the game,all other of the softball/baseball sports use helmets,except slow pitch,to me it would be normal as it would be in baseball. |
| May 24 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | dc pete,this is an answer to your baseball harder than a softball question,got this from a person who mfg'ers both. baseball 53 cor 250-300 comp softball for senior ball 44 cor 375 comp the higher the cor the bouncier it is,making it less hard. so 53-250/300 more bounce less hardness less damage. 44-375 less bounce, harder ball does more damage. |
| May 24 stick8 1992 posts | Mad Dog I don't for one second doubt the seriousness of those type of injuries you ellude to. It just doesn't occur with any measurable degree of frequency in slow pitch. While safety is always a concern what you describe just doesn't happen all that often. If it did I'd have to believe there would be a rule already in place. |
| May 24 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | than why do all the others require a helmet,by using your analogy,it doesn't happen all that much there also,per games played and such, so why use them there .the reason "is b/c it can happen",the same as slow pitch,it can happen,so why not prevent the one who dies b/c they are not required,by having them be worn,just saying.... |
| May 24 DCPete 409 posts | MD; will defer to your stats regarding cor/comp although a baseball sure seems & feels harder when you actually pick one up vs a softball. But that still doesn't take into account that baseballs are hit & thrown much faster than softballs which explains why baseball players & coaches have been seriously hurt or killed sometimes even when wearing helmets. Really doubt any softball player has ever topped 90 mph with a throw on the radar gun much less the 100 mph some of these pitchers are now bringing it in the Bigs . . . |
| May 24 Omar Khayyam 1357 posts | Actually, I believe that injuries from a thrown ball are quite frequent, especially when hit when you are not expecting it. True, most of the injuries are probably bruises, and perhaps the occasional cracked rib, but that's only because the head is a small percentage of the body. Even head injuries are sometimes just bumps on the noggin, but not always. Just in my limited experience, I know a man who was concussed by a blow on the temple near first base and his doctor told him another hit in the same place might kill him (he began wearing a helmet as a base runner). I know another who has not yet regained full eyesight in his eye when hit steaming into second base. Yet another was hit above the left eye and still has double vision. Others were concussed, the more common result I would guess. If you only think of injuries in senior softball tournaments, or only consider injuries that required a trip to the emergency ward, then it might seem less common. But if you consider all of the throwing injuries during league play and day play and batting practice, etc., especially those where the after-effects show up later (the hit player might even continue to play), then the number might be quite high. And as we are learning, the long-term damage of a concussion is nothing to take lightly. In answer to Bubble Gum's question, I think senior softball players don't wear a helmet because they are macho, not just weighing the odds. In our league, we provide helmets for runners because of the number of injuries over time, and the danger to older players from younger arms. How many wear them? None. It's pride, and risk-taking, and traditionalism, not necessarily wisdom. |
| May 25 Webbie25 Men's 70 2414 posts | Bubble Gum-Your question was a reasonable one. However, if you require a helmet for running bases, it automatically becomes required for batting, because as soon as you hit the ball, you are by definition a batter-runner. Now we are hitting with a helmet on. Not appealing to me at all. Omar-we play a this game at a reasonably high level. Every one of us knows that there is a possibility of getting hurt every time we step on the field. An errant throw, a bad hop, a misplayed good hop, a knuckle ball that dips and swoops and you can't even get out of the way of it, a bat slipping out of a batters hands while swinging, a collision at a base on a play, stepping in a rut and pulling a muscle or worse, running into a fence, diving for a ball, sliding into a base, running out an infield grounder trying to beat it out and pulling a muscle, an mistimed high five or chest bump, a stupid play (how many of us have been injured in a play that someone, or even you did something really stupid? I have!), and the list goes on and on. If you are so afraid of getting hurt, WEAR THE PROTECTION! I choose not to, not because of any macho thing, but because I find helmets cumbersome. I do wear a cup all of the time in the outfield or even EH-ing. I have been hit there numerous times, even running bases. My Choice. Speed has been (not necessarily any more LOL) a big part of my game. Equipment slows you down. I do not want to run onto the field feeling like I'm entombed in a safety suit. I like the fact this has been left to personal choice. I hope it remains as such. |
| May 25 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | sad puppy, if you want a helmet WEAR ONE! But stay out of our business! As far as bastardizing the game, the senior game could not really get much more bastardized than it already has been. Too many whacky rules to even recount here. :( |
| May 25 #6 Men's 60 1173 posts | mad dog, IF YOU WANT TO WEAR ONE WITH YOUR RED SHORTS, BE OUR GUEST. As you can see or possibly read from most of this message board, the rest of us don't want too wear one. I was a bull rider for so many years, when I was helping the youth rodeo, we demanded that they wore a helmet. I helped them at a buck out not long ago and got on one again, it had been awhile since I had riden...........just like with softball, I chose not to wear the helmet.....I wore my hat ! Why don't we go to another topic beofre you and BG screw this up for everybody making it mandatory for us to wear them !Because this player will noyt have one on, period ! |
| May 25 #6 Men's 60 1173 posts | mad dog, In answer to your comment..........about the idiot opening his mouth.........you like the hog wrestling in the mud, after awhile, you realize the hog likes it ! l |
| May 25 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | kenny than maybe you should really investigate before saying something,softball was invented when someone threw a boxing glove at someone and it was hit with a boat paddle,this happen after an ivy league game of another sport. oh i don't wrestle,maybe you like to,but not me. really what is the prol with wearing a helmet,is it that big of a dent into your man hood,really.......the guy just asked a question as to why they are not mandatory(like baseball and fastpitch),and you people get all defensive about it. |
| May 25 #6 Men's 60 1173 posts | mad dog, LISTEN CLOSLEY....LEAVE ME THE F _ _ _ ALONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| May 25 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | pup, there is nothing wrong with wearing a helmet if you want to. What is wrong is making other adults if they choose not to. How much clearer can that be? |
| May 25 #6 Men's 60 1173 posts | Gary19, Thanks...maybe he will "finally" get it ! |
| May 25 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | He can do what he wants, no sweat to the rest of us. Just don't make those who don't want to. My head affects no one but me and my family, and they aren't making me. |
| May 25 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | as said why isn't BG original question being answered here,he just asked why it wasn't mandatory,question still not answered,you all just go on an ego trip trying to prove your man hood,i guess if the day happens to come along that you might get hit by a thrown ball and your family has to go to a funeral director or visit you in ICU,but hey you can say you were a man and didn't need to wear a helmet. oh no one here is making you wear anything you don't want to,why do you wear anything than. |
| May 25 #19 Men's 70 302 posts | mad dog ... I think you missed BG's inference ... He wrote the question in large type ... And he seemed to pose the question rhetorically to SSUSA ... The inference is that BG feels that safety helmets should be a mandatory safety rule. |
| May 25 Omar Khayyam 1357 posts | Webbie25, quite a list of potential injuries. I've been playing longer than you and have been injured by every one of those scenarios except the chest bump! When that became popular, I was too old for it and I would have looked ridiculous. Note that I didn't say that helmets are resisted only because of macho attitudes (although that seems to be the biggest reason judged from the attitudes on this thread), but also resisted by those, like yourself, who like the riskiness of playing softball and the resultant adrenalin rush, and resisted by Gary19 who is an arch-traditionalist. As for me, I have never worn a helmet and never worn a cup. Guess I'm too macho. If helmets were mandated, I'd still play. Beats checkers any day. |
| May 25 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | puppy, the question has been clearly answered. NO need to mandate what can be done voluntarily. NONE! NADA! Clear enough for you? Omar, while you are generally correct nothing to do with tradition here. There just isn't enough of a demonstrated need to require what guys who are concerned can optionally wear. |
| May 25 stick8 1992 posts | Mad Dog your concern for safety is duly noted but if players are really concerned about getting struck in the head running the bases there is no rule preventing them from wearing a helmet. Drawing an analogy I am one who played a lot of infield in my career (and now it appears I'll be doing such on my 50 team). For years I CHOSE to wear a cup to protect myself and will continue to CHOOSE to wear one. Some don't wear a cup when playing infield. Personally I think it's foolish but in no way shape or form should that be mandated. |
| May 25 Webbie25 Men's 70 2414 posts | I am constantly struck nowadays by the urgent need of so many people to MANDATE safety for everyone. Is personal responsibility so gone that we have to mandate everything just because someone feels, 'in their opinion', that we have to have that protection? It's for the 'good of the masses' because 'someone' feels we are too stupid to protect ourselves from anything that might hurt us. At what point does this become absurd and freedom of choice totally disappear? Protection is offered in every sporting goods store. I choose which protections I will use on the field. Helmets don't protect the face-are we then going to go to facemasks, too. Gosh, I could get hit in the throat-I need a flap there now to protect that-I will soon look like a hockey goalie running bases to protect myself from all the things that might happen to me. Guys, you can take almost any LIFE scenario and come up with a myriad of things that could happen in any situation. Anything has risk. Pretty soon we may need a personal force field around us to play checkers-----just in case a meteor strikes us!! May the Farce be with us! |
| May 25 Webbie25 Men's 70 2414 posts | Omar-I don't thrive off the riskiness of playing or get adrenaline from going out there 'unprotected'. I don't even think about it, but I know things could happen on the field to hurt me. OK, I accept that there are those risks. But I sure am not going to sit in front of a TV growing old either. You don't wear a cup???? I consider that unthinkable for me, because I like those dangling things down there and they work well for me. I would like to keep it that way! But I would never consider mandating that you have to wear one. I would bet there are more guys hit in that area than the head. The ones that do wear the protection hardly notice. The ones that don't...... (shudder) |
| May 25 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | "I like those dangling things down there and they work well for me" Webbie, that is just a weeeeeeee bit too much information for me. LOL |
| May 25 Tuff Enuff 3 posts | I think I will stay home today. If I go outside I might get struck by lightning. If I get in my car I might get in an accident. I am certainly not going to board an airplane today because it might crash. I will even give up my daily walk because I might get struck by a car in the crosswalk. And I will certainly not play senior softball again until batting gloves are mandatory as I do not want to get a blister on my thumb!? |
| May 25 Omar Khayyam 1357 posts | Tuff Enuff, you DO know that more accidents and injuries occur at home than anywhere else?! |
| May 25 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | Then I guess sad puppy should go to his Congressman and request a law requiring all of us to wear helmets at home. |
| May 25 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | all other softball and baseball sports require helmets,and asking again why doesn't slow pitch.all you who say that they aren't mandated,yeah so what,all these other ball sports did,why did they stop at slowpitch,that basically is what bubblegum is asking.but all i see here is i'm a man and b/c of that i can do whatever i want,we don't need big brother looking out for us.with that analogy,why do we have speed limits on the highways,have to wear seat belts,and all these other safety regulations that have been bestowed on us.... |
| May 25 #6 Men's 60 1173 posts | YAWN, YAWN,YAWN !!! |
| May 25 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | figured a non-response from you #6,you talk like you know something,but never put it out there in any real response(must not know anything),always a smart-ass remark.answer the man's question.....or can you,prolly not is what i'm guessing...... |
| May 25 #6 Men's 60 1173 posts | I told Dave Dowell I would not keep this up with somebody like you.......BUT I WILL SEE YOU ABOUT THIS IN PERSON,FAT BOY !!!! If I were you I would keep my mouth shut about me, until you see me in person, CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT ? |
| May 25 #6 Men's 60 1173 posts | mad dog, Don't reply to my message..I respect Dave, Terry and Fran way to much to keep this going.............See me at the next tournament..........AND GOOD LUCK ! |
| May 25 #6 Men's 60 1173 posts | BTW, SSUSA.......FEEL FREE TO DELETE THIS MESSAGE IF YOU WISH, , I know mad dog and will see him somewhere down the line, if ED doesn't get rid of him first ! |
| May 25 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | yawn,yawn,yawn,yawn.................. |
| May 26 Capt Kirk 541 posts | Let's just play. the rules that are in place for 2011 can be re-visited at the next rules committee meeting. I don't believe it is worth all of the current verbal sparring, relax and enjoy the game. See you in Reno, weather looks good, should be a good time for all. I am no longer managing, and I am playing for a good team out of Corpus Christi, TX (TX Pickup). Playing is whole lot better than managing. |
