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obstruction or interferenci» shortstop33: runner on base pop up fielder runs into runner standing on bag ...»B.J.: I’d have no call other than a possible IF call and play on »shortstop33: I can't believe you have no answer for me BJ. There has to be a rule. ... »B.J.: SS.. the base is the runners safe haven it’s where he belongs as ... »Rob64: Runner has the right to the bag , if running fielder has the right to ... »Rob64: I.F. runners on 1st and 2nd with less than 2 outs. »lb16: Runner does not have to vacate bag in this situation in baseball or ... |
6 | May 12, 2022 | 1044 |
Hitting the Gap» Bigtimer40: On one of our fields the outfield fence sits on a hill and has a ...»DaveDowell: That appears to fit the definition of a ground rule double ... I've ... »Bigtimer40: That is how we have been calling it. It was argued that it was from ... »DaveDowell: Bigtimer40 ... I'm confident you/we have it right and the others ... |
3 | May 12, 2022 | 825 |
Open Innings. When does an inning start when we "finish this inning and next inning ...» Teeter: Interpreting Rules 5.4C and 5.12. When does the open inning ...»coop3636: The next inning starts as soon as the 3rd out is made in the bottom ... »TimMcElroy: Here's how it works in most cases. The 6th inning begins at the ... »coop3636: Tim That is what I said, but you say it with much more ... |
3 | May 6, 2022 | 1549 |
What's the Call?» VegasBob: Popup to the catcher. He catches it with his back to the plate. ...»DieselDan: With no leads allowed, you were already tagged up on the catch. Next ... »B.J.: diesel.. you are correct you may not leave the bag before the ball is ... »Turning2: Diesel - BJ has your answer except substitute "after first touch of ... »B.J.: T2 .. yes I understand what you meant .. what I was saying was that ... »coop3636: It is bad, but if the umpires calls TIME, whether it is right or ... |
5 | May 5, 2022 | 1452 |
You make the call» Bruce M: League play. SSUSA rules. Runners on first and second. One out. ...»DirkPitt: I assume the ball was not caught based on your scenario. Because the ... »DieselDan: In rec games, it does seem more players make the call before the ... »Bruce M: Thx. Dirk and Dan. Yes, the ball landed in the short outfield. Your ... »Bruce M: I trust the tournament directors will correct me. I've done some ... |
4 | May 5, 2022 | 1412 |
Same age, different divisions...» D.Litch: I've been a party to lots of situations involving guys playing down ...»DaveDowell: Somebody is making up a rule on you if they told you that is allowed ... »D.Litch: Thank you Dave... I was scratching my head about that too. »DG-A: Is it possible to play at the same level in an older age group ... »DaveDowell: YES ... You may play across age lines if otherwise eligible as to age ... »stick8: Can a player who plays 60 major plus also play 50 triple A? (asking ... »HSquared: When looking at the Ratings Table, it would suggest yes, even though ... »DaveDowell: Yes, stick8, that's allowable in theory ... Both have a rating index ... »MurrayW: So if a "friend" plays 65, 60, and 55 all on Major Plus teams, is his ... »T-mon: Murray would love to meet your "friend", he must be your twin who ... »stick8: I will definitely tell him that! »edcampbell3: Last year 2 of my Teammates and I, played 50 AAA. We are no longer on ... »DaveDowell: Multiple issues, Ed, neither of which is very complicated ... [1] ... »edcampbell3: Thank you Dave »lowprofile: So Dave, Just curious with Ed's description and the releases being ... »DaveDowell: lowprofile ... Yes, each division (other than Major+, of course) may ... »country nap: if a player is playing 60 major plus can he also play vegas for a 65 ... »DaveDowell: NO ... A 60-Major+ team has a Rating Index (R/I) = 7 ... The R/I for ... |
17 | May 4, 2022 | 2846 |
You make the call» stick8: Runner on 1st, 1 out. Batter hits a short fly ball to right field. ...»B.J.: stick... it's a 2 base award and the award will be determined by the ... »DaveDowell: B.J. ... Your statement of the rule is correct, but it appears from ... »B.J.: DD... ooops yup didn't read it correctly...but I liked my scenario ... »Turning2: Nice to be able to agree with DD, BJ you’re not reading the ... »fresnomdn: Always two bases on this play no matter the direction of the runner. ... »Donna McGuire: Great explanation from fresnomdn. There is no special senior rule for ... |
6 | April 29, 2022 | 1288 |
What does "Except for a wrong batter at bat" mean ??» tedchmura: Looking at the Official SSUSA Rulebook SECTION 7 - Batting 7.1 ...»B.J.: this means if the wrong batter is "STILL AT BAT" and the defense ... »tedchmura: B.J. - thank you very much. |
2 | April 22, 2022 | 894 |
Bring bat to first base» Michigan Vet: Had a play in a tournament this WE. Bases loaded 2 outs. Batter walks ...»DaveDowell: Under SSUSA sanction and rules, the only accurate description is: ... »TimMcElroy: In SSUSA play the batter-runner is NOT OUT when touching 1st base ... »Michigan Vet: Thx Dave That is what I thought. We were playing Florida Half Century ... »B.J.: Mich Vet .. I umpired FHC for many years and yes they do have a rule ... »Michigan Vet: BJ - It is in the Half Century Rules, a walk is a Dead Ball. Cannot ... »B.J.: MV.. yup just read it .. yeah I umpired them about 10 yrs ago ... ... |
6 | April 13, 2022 | 1624 |
Home Run Rule» Advil Knight: If a player hits a home run over the fence and chooses to run all the ...»DieselDan: I imagine he's safe since under normal home runs, batter and base ... »B.J.: with an OTF HR or 4 base award there is no touch 1 base rule .. the ... »Turning2: BJ - Apply SSUSA Rules 5.7, 8.1, 8.4(7) and 8.9(2) equally to the ... »B.J.: T2... I was referring to 8.4(7) in my above post (NOTE: The batter ... »Turning2: BJ - i referred to 8.4(7) also with emphasis on how the SSUSA Rule is ... »AJC: This happened to us last year in Vegas at the Worlds. The other team ... |
6 | April 7, 2022 | 1941 |
bases loaded but no advancement» Bigtimer40: Had a situation last night where bases were loaded zero outs. Ground ...»B.J.: if the fielder touches the bag 1st I have the runner advancing from ... »DaveDowell: B.J. is correct, but the 3B missed a very easy double (or triple) ... |
2 | April 6, 2022 | 1188 |
Batting out of order» Nvjimmymac: A pinch runner who is going to bat soon is put in to run. As luck ...»lowprofile: 8.5(4) • COURTESY RUNNER COMING TO BAT WHILE ON BASE A courtesy ... »DaveDowell: Yes, your team actually did that in St. George, and the umpire called ... »Enviro-Vac: Could the runner not be replaced by a substitute player who is on the ... »titanhd: Respectfully disagree .Wouldn't Technically the batting order HITTER ... »B.J.: Enviro-Vac.. even if the substitute was allowed (which it isn't) he ... »DaveDowell: Rulebook §8.5(4) • COURTESY RUNNER COMING TO BAT WHILE ON BASE A ... »Q19: Can't you just substitute him in the batting order before his place ... »Dbax: It’s mind boggling that so many don’t know this rule! Happens all ... »stick8: It’s pretty simple. If you’re a courtesy runner and your turn to ... »ebo17: Q19 may be on to something. Q19 is my P and bats 11th in the ... »Dbax: Nope, can’t do it. That’s what everyone trie's to say when they ... »DaveDowell: ebo17 ... Q19 is onto the actual issue that prevents avoiding the out ... »STL0: If the runner on third was paying attention or anyone else on the ... »Turning2: DD - you and others have done an admirable job explaining to the ... »DaveDowell: T2 ... It's not the same analysis ... The CR rule/substitute issue ... »Turning2: DD - i contend that you and others take too literal of an ... »DaveDowell: T2 ... It's not that big a deal ... If "Joe's Not Here!", he's out #1 ... »DirkPitt: T2, your scenario sounds valid but the SSUSA ITB rule is very clear ... »B.J.: T2 .. there is no other way to take the rule but literally it's in ... »DaveDowell: B.J. ... Unless the original ITB designated runner entered the game ... »Turning2: DD, DirkPitt, BJ Would we all agree that the SSUSA Rule 5.4(2) ... »DaveDowell: T2 ... The National Rules Committee members enjoy the same ... »Turning2: Thanks Dave, I’ll send in a couple of recommendations/proposals for ... »B.J.: DD.. yes I agree 100% .. BUT .. how would it be handled if they ... »DaveDowell: Purely a random guess, because I don't think I've ever seen a team go ... »B.J.: I was leaning toward the illegal substitution appeal also »Turning2: BJ and DD - in your last two posts you have questions about the ... »Turning2: BJ & DD pardon - one correction above - same result Joe replaced by ... »DaveDowell: I have no questions whatsoever about the content, intent and clarity ... »Turning2: DD - Then please answer this question, Who takes the position as the ... »B.J.: T2.. I understand how you THINK you are applying the rule correctly ... »DaveDowell: After this (hopefully) brief comment, I'm done with this annoying ... |
32 | April 2, 2022 | 2649 |
A pitched ball hits the strike mat» Schwaz: Our recreation league umpires itself so, we have very few experienced ...»DaveDowell: DEAD BALL STRIKE ... Here's the rule ... §7.4 • STRIKE CALLED BY ... »Schwaz: DaveDowell thanks, much appreciated. I just found the same Rule on ... |
2 | April 1, 2022 | 1364 |
How would you rule the call» Larry S: Local Senior League. Runner on first. Batter hits a fly to left, ...»DaveDowell: Presuming there was no second umpire on the game for consultation, ... »B.J.: I agree with D2 and even if it was a 2 man system the base umpire ... »1bounce: Sorry bj but that is the base umpire call. When he makes the call he ... »B.J.: 1bounce.. I disagree .. in 99% of 2 man systems the HP umpire has all ... »1bounce: Negative bj. I’ve worked 1,2,3,and 4 man. Your assuming the home ... »B.J.: 1bounce.. so you are saying that HP watches the catch but then looks ... »Hank Heffner: 1 man of course home plates call. 2 man home plate has catch no ... »Larry S: Just to clarify, there was one ump at home plate. »B.J.: 1bounce.. SSUSA does not have a positioning manual so this is from ... »Hank Heffner: BJ you are 100% correct. »stick8: Larry if the umpire ruled it a catch, it’s a catch! What the left ... »The Screamer5: That's the mechanic we've always used. All outfield fly ball catches ... »DieselDan: Yes, a pre game discussion should always have the plate umpire remind ... |
13 | March 24, 2022 | 1749 |
Interference or Obstruction or no call» BillC48: This happened at a local rec league game and I need the assistance of ...»Turning2: Tough one here to call without seeing the play unfold. I initially ... »B.J.: BillC... hmmm did you happen to attend my umpire clinic in The ... »BillC48: HI BJ & Turning2- Thank you both for your responses. An no, I was not ... »Saratoga2: A question occurred relative to the interference rule in our senior ... »B.J.: Hmmm.. I thought you said this was a senior league and not a 10 and ... |
5 | March 15, 2022 | 1753 |
11 defensive players 65+» k man: If I am reading it correctly, a vote (#14) passed 12-0 yesterday ...»SSUSA Staff: The upcoming T.O.C. is a 2021 Season event and, as such, is played ... »k man: Thanks for the quick response! Just wanted to be sure. »NYGNYY: Was this ever on the annual meeting agenda in the past and voted ... »SSUSA Staff: NYGNYY ... The issue of allowing an 11th defensive player for the ... »FOFO: This is a terrible idea IMO. Think it’s a knee jerk reaction to ... »Rich99: It looks like it has been discussed with very little support over the ... »Dbax: Fofo is correct. This is all about Timberworks. »Carterjam: This is a terrible rule change. My question is why? After not ... »SSUSA Staff: The change was simply all about consistency and conformance with the ... »NYGNYY: With this logic of consistency why not test it for a season at the AA ... »MC8: This 11 man rule just doesn’t make any sense. This is a big change. ... »k man: Not sure where I had heard the following in the past, but the basic ... »IDon'tKnow 3rdBase: I believe the problem of inequality occurs when a 70 team plays a 65 ... »k man: IDK, I think you are confusing teams with same rating and teams of ... »breeze53: Using the same thought process that SSUSA used when Timberworks were ... »TimMcElroy: Speaking for myself here- I reached out to a number of 65s managers ... »neck10: About time now you can play by same rules in all divisions. »NYGNYY: Tim. Thanks for your comments and homework you did prior to the ... »neck10: Thanks a lot Tim I thought all along (which I totally agree with) it ... »softball4b: Change of Direction - This change will further go to protect the ... »Dbax: Mike, played this weekend with the middle infielder. It had ... »softball4b: DC you make my point for me, Royse made the plays because he is good ... »gpump: IMO, rather you are for or against it, this particular rule change ... »NEW TEAM: GREAT RULE CHANGE will help when you play 70 major teams »Jimmy.p: I am amazed at a 12 to zip vote,you must have been chewing on the ... »JB Bronson: 11 players on defense is a terrible rule change. There are so many ... »neck10: I'm glad to see the middle infielder,if we only have 11 guy's going ... »NYGNYY: How does playing 11 extend a players career? Maybe I’m missing ... »TimMcElroy: As explained to me by a couple of managers, guys are more likely to ... »bkb555: I am not close to playing 65s yet but an extra fielder may actually ... »TAT22: I think a lot of players are misunderstanding the new rule. Your team ... »mck71: So I have been playing for a LONG time as most of you have been, what ... »AKA: Southpaw: I personally like having a middle infielder if he is competent in ... »Shortstop 13: I couldn’t be more against this new rule. It seems to me that if a ... »Nancy Allen: In I believe 2017 (Dave could better tell you from the agenda) I ... »softball4b: I could talk about people who post anonymously, rumors and innuendos, ... »FOFO: I agree with you 100% Mike. Why do people post ... »pizzaboy: Personally I think we should use 11 men in all divisions of senior ... »Montanapnc: My experience as a left handed relatively fast outfielder on a 65 ... »maskedman: love it! should have been done long ago. hope it comes to 60s soon. ... »neck10: I wonder if it was a big a deal when we went to four man ... »OZ40: When you play the teams you see all the time and if you really know ... »jca: Who cares. More get to play the field. Maybe just a little less a ... »NYGNYY: JCA. I care -getting to sit an inning a game helps when you get to ... »Nancy Allen: Neck10, I don't remember that but am so much younger than you. I ... »neck10: Nancy that was way back when u couuld keep the gate ... »Uncle Mike: If you are a good hitter and there are 3 guys on 1 side of 2nd base- ... »DieselDan: Uncle Mike. Bingo! (But, some players refuse to change their ... »NYGNYY: Merry Christmas So based on the feedback above the rule change is to ... »stick8: Rickey I vaguely remember those days. You might know better than I ... »DaveDowell: NY² ... Change is inevitable ... This unanimous 12-0 vote was ... »NYGNYY: D2. Finally I hear from you and I appreciate the update. Merry ... »Fabe: Such a blessing to witness healthy debate n different perspectives ... »Corn: My alignment favors the 11th fielder. Another component of the ... »DaveDowell: Corn ... You're not out there in the Twilight Zone at all! ... If you ... »Corn: Wow—I’m 64 and Howdy Doody was pretty much passé in my time as a ... »Montanapnc: I have played in two 65 Major tourneys with this rule. It sucks. It ... »MurrayW: Montanapnc, I think it would penalize the lesser skilled levels more ... |
58 | March 9, 2022 | 7097 |
Base runners hit by batted ball» Harryroe: What happens when a base runner is hit by a batted ball. 1.) off the ...»B.J.: Harryroe.. 1) off bag and behind live ball play on.. off bag and in ... »stick8: To your question: baseball rule: 1) runner is off bag and ball ... »Harryroe: Yes the runner is out as long as the second defensive player has a ... »stick8: Good question. Every slow pitch rulebook I’ve ever read states if a ... »B.J.: stick .. when you describe passing thru a fielder I assume you mean ... »stick8: BJ, we use the same rule in One Nation. And it could be a fielder ... »Harryroe: Ok here’s the rule 1). Baseball: if the runner is in front on the ... »B.J.: Harry... YES .... here is the SSUSA rule... 1. If the runner is ... »stick8: The difference is in baseball the base is not considered a sanctuary ... |
9 | Feb. 28, 2022 | 1730 |
NEVER HEARD THIS CALL BEFORE AT THE TOC» garyheifner: RUNNER ON 1st-LEFT HANDED BATTER HITS A HARD LINER JUST BELOW THE ...»B.J.: it's not a term that should ever be used.. this is the judgment of ... »DaveDowell: Gary ... You play on a 75+ Division team ... Based on your ... |
2 | Feb. 21, 2022 | 1662 |
You make the call» Perl: Looking for answer using SPA rules. Runner on 3rd. Ground ball hit ...»jah#4: If a defensive player tags the runner after the runner has crossed ... »Webbie25: I've watched an increasing number of players use that commit line in ... »DieselDan: First option is for the defensive player to hold the ball while in ... »Webbie25: I know how to play it as I do play third. But it is a play that ... »Dbax: No need to change the rules. It’s a smart play by the base runner. ... »stick8: As the post is stated I agree with part of it. 1) Yes the runner is ... »bkb555: It has become a strategic part of baserunning because of the tag/no ... »Airbosn: A little clarification. The runner ran across the commitment line and ... »SSUSA Staff: Airbosn ... Yes, under SSUSA Rulebook Definition §1.15 (see below), ... »stick8: Airborne, that was a headsy play by that runner! »B.J.: SSUSA staff (Dave).. lol.. I stayed away from answering because it ... »Dbax: You quote only the first definition of continue. It also means… to ... »B.J.: Dbax .. yes you can use the word continue in different ways.. BUT in ... »DaveDowell: We can end this battle of definitions by letting you know the (only) ... »Dbax: BJ when you say you are not an English Major, you got that right. »B.J.: Dbax.. lmao .. although I would have made your reply .. you have ... »BruceinGa: Perl, same thing happened to me about a month ago. I was baserunner, ... »Caztex: I was the 3rd baseman involved in this play.I was chssing full speed ... »DaveDowell: Caztex ... It's not a lot different than tail gating on the freeway ... »B.J.: Caztex.. if you knew you couldn't tag him after he passes the CL why ... »stick8: Bruce a couple things here 1) the umpire should have called you safe ... »stick8: Caztex, that’s a heads up play by that runner! »lb16: Steve, You could have just asked me!! Yes runner is safe, once he ... »lb16: Steve, In SPA rulebook it is Rule 8 Section 3 Definition L. »k man: Some call it a smart play while others refer to it as a tacky tack ... »stick8: K man, correct me if I’m wrong but I read this as a runner who was ... »lb16: stick, No once runner is tagged past commit line that runner is ... »stick8: That’s the way I’ve always understood it to be lb16. However k ... »k man: stick8, Yes, the runner can then be put out by a play at the plate or ... »stick8: Interesting. Are you at liberty to state what organization has that ... »k man: I just copied it from their website ISSA »stick8: Interesting. Didn’t know they had that rule. |
32 | Feb. 18, 2022 | 2564 |
full swing» shortstop33: saw discussion on at not a full swing. Had a player in our league ...»B.J.: SS33 .. Rule 7.6E does say that but then they fail to give a ... |
1 | Feb. 17, 2022 | 1093 |
