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| Oct. 21, 2017 DieselDan Men's 75 602 posts | Huntsman Results http://www.quickscores.com/hwsgsoftball |
| Oct. 21, 2017 Fabe Men's 65 456 posts | This was another part of this tourney I enjoyed....scores every nite! Aurite, Fabe |
| Oct. 22, 2017 curveball Men's 65 705 posts | Leader in the field in the scoreboard category. They've got the results reporting figured out. Field conditions were stellar also! |
| Oct. 22, 2017 SSUSA Staff 3491 posts | curveball ... Yes they are ... QuickScores is very impressive with the smaller tournament divisions and brackets like those at the Huntsman Senior Games ... We have been in contact with them on several occasions over the past couple of months and have presented them with a technical challenge of sorts: Can they handle a 612-team tournament schedule with over 2,000 games scheduled on 39 diamonds covering 10 softball complexes, with seven divisions at 30 or more teams (five of them at 40 or more with a largest of 85)? ... We also run three other tournaments annually at 200+ teams in addition to the World Masters Championships (LVSSA/SSUSA Southwest, Rock 'n Reno and Winter World's) ... The raw game score reporting is the manageable component ... The broader challenge is getting meaningful, printable output for the "monster" brackets without having to rent billboards outside of the playing venues! ... Our WMC Master schedule this year is 118 pages of efficient and understandable presentation ... We're hopeful and optimistic about QuickScores' next response ... |
| Oct. 22, 2017 DieselDan Men's 75 602 posts | So since quickscores can easily handle the HWSG 350 or so teams, then the Sept. worlds might be the only tough one. |
| Oct. 22, 2017 DaveDowell Men's 70 4319 posts | Dan ... Not necessarily! ... In my dialog so far with QuickScores, the overall size of the tournament isn't nearly as significant an issue as the size of individual brackets that comprise the total team count ... The dozens of commercial tourney-building and reporting software offerings we've evaluated for over 10 years all have significant bracket logic failures in the "monster" brackets, a general inability to handle conditional "If" games in the elimination brackets (and on-the-fly schedule modifications that result from those games not being required) and moderate to severe limitations on printed output, especially in the larger brackets ... We suspect our current 118-page schedule set for Las Vegas could be somewhere in the 300-400 page realm in QuickScores ... We have also had technical programming experts looking at developing our own system for over a year, but it's not complete, yet ... The primary motivation for quicker score availability is the obvious public hunger goal ... But two equally important (to us) design criteria inclusions are that the results flow automatically to our internal custom scoring/ratings database and that printed output be manageable ... Nobody we have contacted is remotely close to the score integration feature being offered or implemented ... Hopefully, we'll see soon where our "wish list" meets the QuickScores "we can do it" list, if at all ... |
| Oct. 22, 2017 chico senior Men's 60 134 posts | The Hunstman games were limited to 110 team per week. There were not 350 teams. Also, this year for the most part, after seeding games teams were put into 4 team double eliminations brackets. Comparing that to 80 plus brackets at Vegas and I think there is a big difference. Good luck Dave with trying to improve on your current way of doing it. It gets a little old listening to the same people beef about something that for the most part they know nothing about. |
| Oct. 22, 2017 DieselDan Men's 75 602 posts | The HWSG ran from Oct. 9th to the 21st with Sunday off. Here is the SB breakdown by gender, age, and number of teams. Women 50-28 55-16 60-24 65-15 70/74-7 = 90 Men 50-28 55-35 60-40 70-52 74-26 79-11 = 253 Total of 343 so "handle the 350 OR SO teams" is accurate. (Save yourself the time of checking my math.) As for "the Huntsman games were limited to 110 teams per week", here's some more stats. Week one consisted of W50 & 60, while the men had 60, 65, & 74 for 179 teams. Week two had women 55, 65, 70, & 74 and the men had 50, 55, 70, & 79 for 164 teams. I wonder if there are any other sports out there (pickleball, tennis?) who have many individuals/teams with large bracket breakdowns. It's great to read that SSUSA staff are working hard to find a solution. |
| Oct. 22, 2017 DaveDowell Men's 70 4319 posts | No dispute on the Huntsman Senior Games teams count, but chico senior's tiny-bracket structure observation is accurate ... It's STILL the size of brackets and the sophistication of the underlying bracket logic that's troublesome to many/most (purported) tournament software vendor experts ... The custom scheduling system I have developed over the last 15 years or so is totally responsive to SSUSA's specific circumstances and needs ... The commercial folks don't (and shouldn't) have that single purpose focus because their motivation is the broadest coverage for potential sales to generate a maximum return on the R&D and marketing budget for sales to multiple customers ... Those are simply mutually exclusive goals, with no judgment being offered on which theory may be better ... But until there's a demonstrated demand for our type of tournament administration and structure type product, it's probably not reasonable to expect any off the shelf provider to come to the rescue of the curiosity seekers ... And, YES Dan, there are other larger bracket sports/competitive brackets out there, such as tennis, darts, match play golf and bowling, March Madness, etc., but almost all of them are "one and done" single elimination format ... Of those that aren't, simple double elimination formats probably encompass 98±% of the rest ... It's very rare in my experience to see multiple 40+ and up three-game-guarantee brackets running simultaneously in the same tournament, regardless of the sport ... Of course, if we had an IBM-style multi-million dollar scoring sponsorship like the PGA does, we could probably have the entire tournament database update every time any of the 612 teams scored a run! ... We don't, and probably never will! ... Oh, well ... |
| Oct. 22, 2017 Dbax Men's 65 2101 posts | Uh.......just take a pic of brackets and post it. |
