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You make the call!

» titanhd: Runner on second base- 2 outs. Batter at plate. Umpire calls two ...
      »DaveDowell: RULING Run scores ... Base runner on 2B following his double ... ...
      »B.J.: WOW... just when you think heard it all...lol
      »Paco13: What about this one. Actually happened to me at Roanoke. Ball ...
      »Paco13: Forgot to say there were two umpires...Next question who's call it is ...
      »DaveDowell: SSUSA Rulebook 6.15 (at page 37) SHORT PITCH A pitched ball ...
      »Paco13: That was not the call...
      »DaveDowell: But should have been! ... Oh, and that's the Home Plate umpire's ...
      »titanhd: Just for the record. The umpire "cancelled" the hit called the the ...
      »DaveDowell: titanhd ... Although the untimely decision made will probably appear ...
9 July 13, 2017 746

Playing in different Divisions...

» joeysoftball13: Can someone please clarify for me; if you play for say a 55 Major ...
      »SSUSA Staff: jeysoftball13 We answered a question VERY similar to this on ...
      »joeysoftball13: Thank you!
      »Lumberjack16: Can a 70 Major (home state)player that also plays as a 70 AAA ...
      »SSUSA Staff: A player may not play for two teams in the same age group in the same ...
4 July 9, 2017 1224

Playing on two teams of different age and different ratings

» txnighttrain: Could a player that is 60 play on a 50 AAA and a 60 AA team. ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Nothing has changed ... A player may not play on 50-AAA (rating ...
      »txnighttrain: I guess then some illegal players got into the Texas State ...
      »grayhitter59: I can't believe you are going to protest a 60 year old playing on a ...
      »LP: cheating is cheating no matter the age
      »grayhitter59: I don't understand. The team that got cheated here was the 60's ...
      »DaveDowell: LP ... And "cheating" as defined here anonymously may not be ...
      »LP: Dave i may have been a bit strong on my statement it's just that ...
      »txnighttrain: First of all I was on the 60 AA team that complained. Second, I need ...
      »txnighttrain: I was told that they could play because the rating was different and ...
      »txnighttrain: So you know this is not anonymous, this is Al Schoelen and I am not ...
      »txnighttrain: One last thing. Do you really thing it is appropriate to make roster ...
      »grayhitter59: Mr. Schoelen, I will apologize to you sir, but as how you wrote your ...
      »grayhitter59: Question, I am playing on a 55 major team and I want to play on a 50 ...
      »BruceinGa: The 55m and 50AAA have the same rating, 7. You should be able to ...
      »STL0: If a player is currently 54 years old, rated today as a 50 major ...
      »SSUSA Staff: STL0 ... Not exactly correct ... The player's rating experience ...
      »STL0: Thanks for the clarification Staff. It was hard to figure that one ...
      »boston: Could I get some help with this one scenario. According to how I ...
      »DaveDowell: boston ... A player's age is not as important as his rating ...
19 July 6, 2017 2090

Thrown Ball "Out Of Play"

» Softballer48: SSUSA Staff...Please clarify when a thrown ball goes out of play; ...
      »lb16: It is always 2 bases. The confusing comes from where the runner(s) ...
      »Duke: lb16, you are correct, but generally, it is not usually referred to ...
      »lb16: Duke, yes I was just trying to simplify the answer so most would ...
      »HAT MAN: Duke question. It says the base runner gets the base he is going to ...
      »lb16: Some organizations differ on this.Most say if you already acquired a ...
      »stick8: Easy way to remember: 1) A throw that goes out of play from the ...
      »Duke: HAT MAN, As lb16 has pointed out, different organizations might word ...
      »Softballer48: Is there an exception when a thrown ball goes out of play after ...
      »stick8: Duke, if a batter hit a grounder to short, the shortstop bobbles it, ...
      »B.J.: Softbller... no that would be penalizing the offense for a bad throw ...
10 July 1, 2017 725

Is the rule implying "a runner cannot leave the base until after the ball is batted" ...

» Turbobob: About a month ago, I made a post asking when is it legal for a base ...
      »DaveDowell: Turbobob ... This may not directly answer your question, but here ...
      »B.J.: Turbobob... it is up to your league officers to make sure rules are ...
2 June 27, 2017 689

Can you play both 40's and 50's?

» ballplyer19: I will be 50 next season and was wondering if I can legally play both ...
      »HAT MAN: you can play both with some rules. if you are major plus in 50s ...
1 June 27, 2017 414

What is the correct call?

» BH44: This weekend at the Quad City Classic there was a play that everyone ...
      »Garocket: If the runner on third tagged up and crossed home plate before the ...
      »lb16: Why is this call so hard to understand. You mean to tell me the ...
      »stever: Garocket is right. Though most think of this as a force out, it is ...
      »lb16: stever it is an appeal play yes, but most importantly it is a timing ...
      »DaveDowell: Not exactly, lb16 "...Run counts every time if scored before out is ...
      »lb16: Dave, I was basing my answer on BH44 scenario in that situation ...
      »stick8: Run scores as you describe the scenario. It's a timing play. Here's ...
      »B.J.: stick... the actual award is 1 base from last base touched when the ...
      »T.C.Sr.: Stick, One umpire told us at meeting at home plate before the game ...
      »stick8: BJ you are correct!! Runner at first was tagging so by rule he is ...
10 June 27, 2017 812

EQUALIZER RUNS QUESTION

» titanhd: Question has probably been asked but, at the risk of redundacy. One ...
      »DaveDowell: YES
      »titanhd: Thanks Dave, thats what I thought but not what was ruled this weekend ...
      »TOMAR77: May I partly interrupt this Thread. Although it is on the same ...
      »DaveDowell: TOMAR77 ... We have briefly discussed this on an occasion or two, but ...
      »TOMAR77: Thanks Dave for the response. Still as I have suggested in an earlier ...
5 June 19, 2017 893

Overthrow on tag up

» azcard: Specific rule please. Situation 1. Line drive to f6 throws to f1 R1 ...
      »azcard: I mean FS not F!
      »azcard: Having a heck of a time F3 Not FS or F1. Sorry. senior moment.
      »B.J.: 1. When the first throw is made by an infielder, two bases shall b ...
      »azcard: Would like to see the re tagging in writing somewhere. I understand ...
      »B.J.: azcard....I don't think you will find the whole interpretation in ...
      »azcard: So, The award is at the time of the pitch except when a runner is off ...
      »Garocket: B.J. the retouch is not considered a base. If the runner already had ...
      »azcard: I guess you could say the first play of the infielder was the ...
      »azcard: Garocket, In USSSA they would get second in any other league Third?
      »stick8: Garocket, usssa has amended that to make it easier to understand. ...
      »B.J.: Garocket, thx for catching mistake on counting the re-tag as a ...
      »azcard: Do we have an answer for my initial Question?
      »B.J.: in both scenarios the runner would get 3rd base... but the runner ...
13 June 16, 2017 712

Pretty sad

» raiderman66: Posting on here because the other associations don't have a forum and ...
      »Benji4: Raiderman 66 I agree you have every right to post and complain ...
      »raiderman66: It's a political situation and those who are connected are too scared ...
      »B.J.: what other associations??? is your anonymous rant even about SSUSA???
      »DaveDowell: B.J. ... No "Oliver Stone Moment" conspiracy here ... This does not ...
      »HAT MAN: I just dont get why any time someone states something it has to have ...
      »Benji4: Vinny Guess I am just a little more old school than you. If you ...
      »mck71: raiderman66: my assumption is that you are speaking about either ISSA ...
      »HAT MAN: I hear you Ben, just seen too many people get quieted for fear of ...
8 June 15, 2017 1317

Line drive hits base

» azcard: Line drive hits 1st or 3rd with out hitting the ground deflects into ...
      »coop3636: Line drive that hits first or third and then goes foul is a FAIR ...
      »azcard: Just for the sake of discussion, 1st and third are in fair territory ...
      »DaveDowell: coop3636 is correct ... FAIR ball by definition regardless of where ...
      »B.J.: it does not have to pass the bag, RULE 1.22 D. Touches first, second ...
      »coop3636: Azcard.. once the balls hits first or third.. it is a fair ...
      »DaveDowell: Rulebook 1.23 FAIR TERRITORY Fair territory is that part of the ...
      »JimmyG: Not just the strike mat, but it would still be a fair ball even if it ...
      »azcard: 1.22 D states the ruling exactly. Thanks BJ. I wonder if this is ...
      »B.J.: in MLB home plate is located in fair territory ..in senior softball ...
9 June 15, 2017 878

When is is legal for a base runner to leave the base?

» Turbobob: Our league is 60 plus, slow pitch using a high arc, strike plate and ...
      »B.J.: the penalty for a runner leaving a base early is a dead ball no pitch ...
      »Turbobob: Thanks BJ for the explanation and putting all of the pieces of the ...
2 June 14, 2017 743

VERBAL INTERFERENCE

» dud: What is VERBAL INTERFERENCE? What are examples? Can a defensive ...
      »softball4b: Only if involves politics or religion. Seriously though, if a ...
      »B.J.: interference is always on the offense and obstruction is on the ...
      »garyheifner: Had a coach from a Michigan Team when coaching 3rd base yelling out ...
3 June 10, 2017 935

Player Ratings

» West Coast Mayhem #00: I have read the rules, but when discussed, everyone seems to have a ...
      »SSUSA Staff: WCM#00 ... SSUSA does NOT rate players ... However, we DO track the ...
1 June 10, 2017 674

A Thank You

» TOMAR77: Just want to give a Shout Out to Dave and SSUSA for their handling of ...
0 June 7, 2017 572

Umpire Got It Wrong - Loudoun VA

» Crackerjack06: Just had the pleasure of participating in this weekends games ...
      »B.J.: to be honest about this call....I have umpired for 20 years in all of ...
      »impster23: We also had an issue too with the umpire in the Championship game. ...
      »B.J.: to get a double play on any scenario like that then the umpire must ...
      »TimMcElroy: Tournament UIC / Field Director response: Crackerjack06: I will ...
      »Crackerjack06: Tim, Thank you for understanding the true intention of the "Spirit ...
      »Nancy Allen: Crackerjack06, I am sorry about how the umpires reacted. This falls ...
      »Crackerjack06: Nancy, Thank you for adding in the scenario of "squaring up" on a ...
      »put me in coach: 2008 Loudoun finals ump got it right. this situation played out in ...
      »Nancy Allen: Gentlemen, thank you for validating for me again that there is ...
      »B.J.: Nancy, for the most part I agree with what you say... but the rule ...
      »B.J.: swing and rip the ball down the line...the next at bat they take an ...
      »Nancy Allen: B.J., thank you. I already knew that I could not change anyone's ...
      »stick8: Umpires should never show up players. Most times player carry on ...
13 May 26, 2017 2012

Umpires- Pitching Rules

» Uncle Mike: I am starting to see more and more USSSA style pitching in SSUSA. I'm ...
      »Paco13: Actually this past weekend here at the VA Beach tourney we made few ...
      »Vance+50: I noticed that as well in Valley last weekend. Anything around 10 ...
      »mad dog: paco...the pitching box extends 10' back now from the rubber i ...
      »ETDave: Yep. 10 feet.
      »bringiton: Uncle Mike if you think that the umpires are not doing a good job ( ...
      »BruceinGa: The umpires we had at Valley were good and very consistent. I think ...
      »Uncle Mike: I umpired for 25 years in So California SCMAF association, and 2 ...
      »crusher: Please give me a flat pitch >............
      »k man: In our local league, the head umpire for the league brought to the ...
      »OIdCorps: Paco- Since you're not much taller than 5 foot that 5 foot pitch was ...
      »stick8: Can't say what it's like in Southern California but here in Michigan ...
      »Paco13: OldCorps...Chest high and inside and you know the rest...BOOM. How ...
      »Rich33: I UMPire and Play. Just a thought... You have a $300 bat and a $25 ...
      »marcster13: ^^^ what he said ^^^
14 May 5, 2017 1616

Roaster

» grayhitter59: This question is for all managers and SSUSA staff. As a former ...
      »curveball: Assume you mean "roster." If a team forfeits a 1st game due to ...
      »DaveDowell: grayhitter59 ... I presume you are still abusing the equine corpse ...
      »grayhitter59: No, Dave. sorry you are incorrect. I just wanted clarification on the ...
      »MP all day: To help answer your question greyhitter...I'll use me as an ...
      »grayhitter59: My question where answered by staff, that's all I needed. This was ...
      »MP all day: Fantastic...we all need to abide by the rules...All of us....
      »grayhitter59: Staff, one question if a forfeit is not a game played then why does ...
      »DaveDowell: A forfeit game is a designated loss for purposes of the tournament ...
      »taits: I would think that a manager attending his first tournament would ...
9 May 3, 2017 1394

Out of the Batters Box.

» Gonedeep43: This rule needs to be reviewed. Saturday night at BLD Las Vegas, ...
      »DaveDowell: All that needs to be done is more strict enforcement of SSUSA ...
      »Spock: This is the Senior softabll rulebook copied and pasted. PLAYING ...
      »Spock: Now does stepping out mean, during the act of swinging, or before ...
      »B.J.: spock... the rule explains it all A. The batter must have at least ...
      »B94: If you're going to enforce this rule to the letter then you need to ...
      »Gonedeep43: Exactly, no way can you avoid stepping out of the box if you decide ...
      »Omar Khayyam: I have seen it enforced at Golden Eagle in Reno. I agree it is a bit ...
      »DaveDowell: Omar ... That's the "flip side of the same coin" argument in favor of ...
      »Boom Boom 1: In the good old days, before the matt, the plate was considered a ...
      »DCPete: True that plus you're still depending on the Ground Crew to put the ...
      »HAT MAN: the way i see it is you learn to adjust. I'm 6'4" 280 and knew from ...
      »Jon44: I have had this same issue at BLD. I am 6'6" and the short pitch is a ...
      »k man: Jon, ssusa Rule 7.3(1) batter deliberately erasing any portion of ...
      »neck10: gonedeep you must have had the same ump we had a couple years ago in ...
      »neck10: also we as manager's can ask the ump anything we wont before game I ...
      »the car: we were called out and we had a picture of the at bat showing he was ...
      »Boom Boom 1: Once again, you are missing the point, the front of the batter's box ...
      »B94: Boom Boom is bang on!
      »the car: i stepped out before the mat but i understand you
      »grayhitter59: The permanent batters box is set using reqular softball rules, where ...
      »B94: This is such a simple fix too. Adjust the batters box forward the ...
      »TimMcElroy: Rather than "fix" the rule, maybe players could adjust to the ones ...
      »bbullet: Some great points being made - especially if you take the time to ...
      »southerinman: As many do I walk the box to try to get a pitch "in my zone" so to ...
      »k man: southerinman- page 34-35 SSUSA rule book -present and constant, no ...
25 April 29, 2017 2460

Pitching rule

» Tommy00: Is it still required for the pitcher to show the ball before starting ...
      »B.J.: here is the rule 6.4 BEFORE STARTING THE PITCH A. The pitcher ...
      »B.J.: forgot to add this is the SSUSA rule USA/ASA may be different
      »Tommy00: That's exactly what USA/ASA says right now.
3 April 20, 2017 588
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