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Discussion: ASA Bats Not Allowed in Vegas

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Sept. 28, 2018
OmahaChuck
Men's 60
39 posts
ASA Bats Not Allowed in Vegas
Last week, in the 60s division, I used my 2017 ASA Mike Freak Platinum bat for a couple ABs. Was told by an opposing player that it was not allowed (but to their credit, they didn't say anything).

When I approached one of the Directors, they confirmed this and then gave me a convoluted reason that I sure had difficulty following.

I asked a couple of umpires on other fields if they were aware of this rule for the tournament and 3 of 3 said, 'no'.

Anyone know the REAL reason why an ASA bat would not be allowed? I heard another rumor about 'paying for rights' but not sure if that was true.
Sept. 28, 2018
Bob21
34 posts
Player from Oxnard was called out and ejected in our 55M game last week for using the ASA Miken Freak (the same one half our Senior league is using on Mon-Wed). Umpire said (and it was confirmed) that all managers were told of this at the manager's meeting. Don't know why the bat is "illegal" however...
Sept. 28, 2018
OmahaChuck
Men's 60
39 posts
Bob21, thank you. Doesn't make sense to me though? If it has the proper ASA stamp (and not on the 'ASA not allowed' list), why would SENIOR bats be ok and these particular bats not be permitted? I don't get it...there has to be a reason that we are not privy to.
Sept. 28, 2018
WCT BK
7 posts
I can tell you that I was at the Manager's meeting last week, and Terry Hennessy stated that the newer ASA bats do not have a 1.21 BPF stamp on them, and therefore they were not being allowed. He was very clear to all of us to inform your players that if they stepped into the box with a newer ASA Bat that they would be called out. (I don't believe he said anything about an ejection, but I could have missed it.)

I checked my Senior Bats and they all have the 1.21 BPF stamp on them. I also checked my new ASA bat, and Terry was correct, there is no BPF stamp of any kind on the bat. The real question is why not?
Sept. 28, 2018
lowprofile
46 posts
Thinking it's a monetary decision exclusively for SSUSA. just like ASA or USSSA your only allowed to use there stamped bats which the manufacturers pays the rights to those organizations in turn the players playing in those tourneys have to use only there sanctioned bats.

Thus SSUSA is right on par with those other organizations. But my only question is...WHY would you want to use a ASA bat as opposed to a senior bat? senior bats in my opinion are stupid hot. but maybe for the feel or judy shots you like your ASA bat?

Anyways here's a clip from the SSUSA bat policy...

This policy is being implemented for two reasons:

First and foremost, it is designed to protect our players and the sport. In the past few years, several entities have begun developing senior bats. This policy provides a significant barrier to bat manufacturers who do not have the wherewithal to establish manufacturing procedures that meet minimum industry standards to ensure bats are consistently meeting standards.

Second, it is a fairness issue: many of the bat manufacturers support the sport through some type of sponsorships. These sponsors face economic requirements that other bat manufacturers, who do not support the sport, do not face. This policy is designed to even the playing field.

Well that's kinda what I got out if it, I could be wrong but just throwing it out there!

good luck OmahaChuck
Sept. 28, 2018
DaveDowell
Men's 65
2751 posts
Usually we chuckle at the silly "..it's all about the money.." inferences, but this time it's probably correct ... ASA and the bat certification entities don't see eye to eye on the fees charged to secure certification ... SSUSA doesn't have a dog in that fight ... However, we will stand firm on allowing only bats that have the BPF 1.21 (or lower) labeling ... It's about being sure about the safety of the current bat/ball specification combination and not "hoping it's OK on a non-labeled bat" ... Carry on! ...
Sept. 28, 2018
B.J.
697 posts
I haven't umpired ASA in several years but I thought that there bat performance rating (BPF) was actually lower at 1.20 than SSUSA's 1.21
did there rating change?
Sept. 28, 2018
lowprofile
46 posts
B.J.I believe your correct with both ASA and USSSA BPF being at 1.20 as opposed to SSUSA being 1.21 BPF.If I could swing my Melee with the kids I would be a God! lol js
Sept. 29, 2018
B.J.
697 posts
Dave, if ASA has a lower certification of 1.20 and the bat is stamped ASA certified does SSUSA not trust there certification or is it that the stamp on the bat does not actually give the BPF rating?
Sept. 29, 2018
titanhd
Men's 50
566 posts
BJ the bat has to be STAMPED 1.21 or lower.
However per D.Dowell statement the major reason appears to be that ASA has not paid the Certification fee.

"ASA and the bat certification entities don't see eye to eye on the fees charged to secure certification".

This appears to conclude that if the Cert fees were agreed to (paid) an agreement could be reached that would allow the use of ASA bats with or without the 1.20-1.21.

JMO
Sept. 29, 2018
yerwombat
Men's 60
65 posts
Is this "policy" association wide or tournament dependent also is a bat that is labeled 1.21 BPF legal even though they didn't pay the "certification" money that year legal eg. AD Starr Nightmare?
Sept. 29, 2018
Nancy Allen
Men's 55
1329 posts
yerwombat, if you go under Bat Policy above, it should answer your questions. There is a link at the bottom of it for approved bats.
Sept. 29, 2018
SMOKE707
10 posts
The newer ASA bats are made specifically for the lower cor/comp balls and will have new stamps. The older ASA bats will have the BPF stamp and should be legal to use
Sept. 29, 2018
Fred S
Men's 85
297 posts
lowprofile: The reason I used an ASA bat when I was playing tournaments was because of results. I started with a Sr bats. Because I didn't have the power to reach the fences so most of my shots were outs. Switch to my ASA bats and know my line drives didn't reach the outfielders so they would drop in for hit. In my book I will take the hits with my ASA Bat in place of the nice looking fly balls for outs with a Sr bat.
Sept. 30, 2018
lowprofile
46 posts
Right on Fred S, yes I get it with people using other bats they are used too, if you see in my post I say...for the feel or judy shots, almost what your stating in that you want your balls to drop in as opposed to sailing right to the outfielder.

A base hitter that has it down is a well sought after player! so right on Fred point well taken.
Oct. 1, 2018
BallPlayer35
Men's 60
17 posts
Dave or Nancy, to be clear in simple words....Any ASA bat that has a 1.20 BPF on the bat can be used?
Oct. 1, 2018
Nancy Allen
Men's 55
1329 posts
BallPlayer35, reading the approved list from the link above updated in May and the bat policy, I would say that if I was inspecting a bat, that it would have to have the 1.21 or lower stamp and be from a manufacturer that is on the approved list. That is my opinion only, but I think that what links that we have are pretty clear if you look at both from the Bat Policy link above.
Oct. 1, 2018
Tommy00
13 posts
The tests are different now than they used to be. The old tests produced the BPF rating, where the new tests just conform to the 98 MPH or less rating. So the new tests don't guarantee that the BPF rating will be 1.21 or below.

The way some bats are coming out of the wrapper and failing compression tests, they are probably very quickly surpassing the BPF 1.21 rating.
Nov. 7, 2018
g joe
14 posts
It's all about the sponsorship money and that would be ok, if the bats had some kind of warranty like the ASA,USSSA bats do.
If it was about SAFETY we would not be using the hottest bats on the market. I have seen Senior bats that have been repainted to look just like a ASA or USSSA bats. I have never seen a ASA bat redone as a Senior bat.
The last I knew ASA tests the MPH exit speed to determine performance of bats, not wall thickness. I think is a truer way to determine a bats rating or performance.
I paid $250 for a ASA bat that I use in league 2 nights a week for almost 3 years and its still the leagues compression test. I go through at least 2 Senior bats a year, that's just using it for tournaments and not in BP.
So if SAFTEY is the issue, let's use the ASA bats!
Get sponsorship money from them.
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