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Discussion: C19 at Worlds.

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Sept. 22, 2020
DieselDan
Men's 70
427 posts
C19 at Worlds.
Any updates on player/fan restrictions since the announcement of a positive test was made before the 8 am games started?

Sept. 22, 2020
SSUSA Staff
2960 posts
Rules/Procedures instituted today, Tuesday, September 22, 2020 at all facilities:
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"Only teams playing, their scorekeeper (only one) and teams waiting to play the next game will be allowed in the complex. All other spectators will need to watch the games from outside the outfield fence. Spectators will be allowed to come into the complex to use the toilet and see vendors one at a time. While in the complex, masks are required, except when playing.

When playing, base coaches and catchers must wear masks. Dugouts are closed and are only used for access to the fields, so players should bring their own chairs and separate or wear masks except in the field."

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Thank you for your cooperation. Those who may decide to decline to follow these Rules/Procedures will be ejected for the day and will put their team at risk for the same ejection remedy.

Sept. 22, 2020
DieselDan
Men's 70
427 posts
Thank you. May there be no further issues.
Sept. 22, 2020
Dbax
Men's 60
1884 posts
Observations from Canyons yesterday. Only a few players were wearing masks while in the dugout. I would say the majority of people inside the complex were not wearing masks. I saw very little social distancing. And there was no enforcement of anything. Seemed like a normal tournament. Do the right thing today.

Sept. 22, 2020
TimMcElroy
704 posts
I was working at the Canyons from 2pm on yesterday and must have asked peole to "mask up" at least 100 times (Angie can verify). I tried and tried to enforce the rules. It is frustrating to have people do the right thing while you're standing there, then do the wrong thing as soon as you walk away. As a former law enforcement officer, nobody knows that feeling more than you. Good luck today, Dave.

Sept. 22, 2020
HSquared
Men's 55
47 posts
Any rule/law, whether it be speeding, littering, texting, Covid, etc, are only as good as its enforcement. And when enforced (to stop it from reoccurring), it has to hurt !!
Sept. 22, 2020
Joey525i
Men's 55
31 posts
Talk about it has to hurt... The NFL has fined several head coaches $100,000 for not wearing face masks on the sidelines - The coaches' teams were also punished, with $250,000 fines.
Sept. 22, 2020
Garciastars
Men's 40
5 posts
Is there room behind OF fences at Centennial in Kingman for spectators?
Sept. 22, 2020
Omar Khayyam
1337 posts
Tim, this is very discouraging news. My wife was reluctant to go with me since she didn't believe some of the players she has met would obey and follow mask restrictions. I told her I thought they would (I knew my team, with 2 exceptions, would not have trouble following guidelines). However, she said I should multiply my two guys by the many other teams there. I heard her, and reluctantly told my manager that without my wife II was not going to St. George.

Turns out she was right! Sadly. Use of dugouts...wives and fans unmasked (or having to perch 300+ feet away), even catchers not complying (thought there was a punishment for the manager if that happened). Seems like only the umps are complying...and they are paid to comply. So disturbing. I'm hoping that my team does well, but I don't want victories at the price of contagion. I guess SSUSA has to patrol the stands and bounce teams for non-compliance but who would have thought that? A defeat for all involved.
Sept. 22, 2020
smurfman
5 posts
So a big Thank you to Tim for being open and honest about fans and players not following the rules set forth.

Now the big question, WHY has/was no ejections for Coaches and or players maintained as promised!! What's happening now at the Worlds, also happened at the Western Worlds in St George. Apparently, nobody really cared back then. Very sad that SSUSA wont comply with their promises to eject, even if its to disqualify a team. It's all about money and keeping the players playing. SSUSA not following their guidelines and holding folks accountable. It,s a repeat of what HSquared said previously.
Sept. 22, 2020
DaveDowell
Men's 65
3005 posts
Smurfman ... There was a "semi-ejection" at The Canyons today as a player's spouse refused to wear a mask while in the park ... UNTIL the Director informed her that she didn't really have to put on the mask, but there wouldn't be anything to watch since her husband's team was about to be disqualified from the tournament if she didn't mask up ... Two things happened: Her husband's team is still playing and she is no longer coming into the park without a mask ...

Omar ... There's another (almost) incredible circumstance in play today, too ... Our office voice mail has been flooded with a virtual tsunami of rude and foul-language anonymous messages criticizing us for instituting today's safety provisions! ... One brazen lady (?) did leave a number, and when we returned her call, she screamed and cussed us out over the phone before hanging up on us! ... We should call this the "Pandemic Parodies" today ...

Sept. 22, 2020
TAT22
63 posts
SSUSA STAFF: Fantastic job running the World's! 132 teams, 4 complexes and probably over 2,500-3,000 people: players,wives,umps,staff and 3 cases. I think that's a phenomenal accomplishment.
Sept. 22, 2020
HAT MAN
Men's 40
219 posts
How about we just accept what 2020 has given us this year and not bash people. My only fear is that those that have played/ playing are going to press the hand of ssusa and the 40s group are going to be guilty of more swift actions and less warnings simply because of those that failed before us. The 40s, who statistically should be in better health should have no problem complying.
So let's just play ball, give the better half your wallet and send them to Laughlin lol

Vinny
Sept. 22, 2020
Omar Khayyam
1337 posts
Dave, I feel for you and the SSUSA staff. Publicize the rules, again and again. Warn all the managers. Revise the rules and republicize (making them more healthy). Rewarn all managers. Point out the need for health rules obedience, if not for your own belief, than to make the site governors happy. Decide you have no option but to enforce rules. And then get lambasted by disgruntled folks—players would be a bit more understandable, but spouses?! It's been some year, hasn't it?!
Sept. 22, 2020
SALSAKID49
Men's 60
149 posts
I was there to play only on Friday and Saturday, And I completely agree with Dbax... I observe at Canyons the same thing. Quite a few players were wearing their masks while in and around the dugouts, will say that the majority of people inside the complex were walking around not wearing their masks. I saw very few social distancing. And there was no execution of guidelines or rules. And it did resemble a normal tournament. It will be a work in progress going forward. Good luck to all the team playing currently.
Sept. 22, 2020
AJC
Men's 60
160 posts
A little disturbing to read that a couple of players had tested positive that were staying at the Hampton Inn & Suites. Our team also stayed there last week and weekend. 2 of our teammates took the test yesterday before we were all notified of the positive tests of a couple of teammates. They took the test just as a precaution. Then today we found out that we stayed at the same hotel. Early evening today both of our players were notified that their tests were negative. That is a big relief. Im putting this out there as i know there was players from other teams staying there as well.

I hope for a full and speedy recovery for the players that have contracted the virus.
Sept. 23, 2020
DRB22
Men's 50
33 posts
It's sad to hear so many people complain when everything was shut down, begging to get back out and play. Then things start opening up and the same people start whining about partaking in very simple and easy steps to help keep things open. Although I am not playing out there in any of the World events, it sounds like the organizers are trying to do their best to put/keep safety precautions in place. Strictly enforce the rules immediately with ejections and forfeits and teams/spectators will quickly fall in line, there is a lot of out of pocket expenses on the players end that I'm sure they don't want to waste over a simple mask rule. There is an extra step that can be taken to help enforce the rules, hire Off Duty Law Enforcement to patrol the area and enforce the rule after you've given said player/spectator a warning and a chance to comply....it doesn't cost that much to hire them.
Sept. 23, 2020
DaveDowell
Men's 65
3005 posts
Interesting and well reasoned observations, DRB22 ... Thanks! ... This Season has been a challenge of monumental scope ... We've seen nothing like it in our 30± years in business ... There's no certainty now that "life as we knew it" will ever fully return, especially to senior softball ... Right now I'd settle for something as simple as the return of a minimal level of basic human civility ... It somehow went away in the past six months or so ... A LOT of yesterday's anonymous, rude phone messages, emails and random postings here are a compelling indication that there are a lot of people who are undeserving of participating in Senior Softball ... If they took just a moment to re-consider, they should be embarrassed ... **END OF RANT**

Sept. 23, 2020
Wood_1966
Men's 50
104 posts
I despise wearing a mask, I mean I really hate wearing a mask! I think it is an attack on my personal liberties to be forced to wear one. But, with that being said, if it means the difference between playing and not playing, I am wearing the damn mask! I wore in in the last two tournaments we played in. You have a choice to wear it or not, but if you want to play you have to wear it, no one is forcing you to play. Look at it like any other rule you do not like but adhere to!
Sept. 23, 2020
Dbax
Men's 60
1884 posts
Wood, I totally agree. And the thing is, you only had to wear it while your team was at bat, sitting in the dugout. But the majority would not do it. If you don’t care about yourself, fine. But it’s pretty selfish to not wear it for others.
Sept. 23, 2020
stick8
1784 posts
Dbax, you’re not quite correct on that. The part that you’re discussing clearly states:
“Off the field, including in the dugout, players and coaches must wear face coverings OR socially distance.”
It also says umpires will be disinfecting balls every half inning. Every team had their own balls they were supplied with and/or bought. The games I played in our extra game balls never left our dugout and the ones we used that we hit hrs foul balls that went out of play were returned to us without ever touching the umpire.
Maybe I missed it but I never witnessed any umpire disinfecting any of our game balls or any of the other teams game balls we played against.
Sept. 23, 2020
DieselDan
Men's 70
427 posts
What bugs me is when an ump/director comes over and asks a few fans to move down to the grass area (more 95 degree sun) which began yesterday with positive C19 result(s) at the Canyons. "So only players are allowed to be on the hard top/bleachers around the fields?" "Yes." "Then what about all those ladies up against the building with the guys all wearing the same uniform shirt?" "A teams score keeper is allowed." "Do you really believe those 6-8 ladies are all score keepers for that team?" He walked away and I stayed in the bleachers with my gaiter on. It's kind of funny that many umps/directors are using the free face shields, but those are probably the worst protection from airborne droplets and they come in contact with others hundreds of times each day at a tournament.
Sept. 23, 2020
Dbax
Men's 60
1884 posts
Stick, you are exactly right. And it may have happened, but I never saw a ball sanitized. But that was the least of the problem. Directors would tell people to mask up and as soon as they walked away, they would take it off.
Sept. 23, 2020
DRB22
Men's 50
33 posts
Exactly why the HOT STOVE consequence should be in effect to gain immediate compliance. You won't have to kick out many players or make many teams forfeit before word spreads. It is a privilege to be able to play this game, not a right. That organization could have easily postponed the event, how many people would have been pissed off then? Selfishness is a foolish character trait.
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