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Discussion: Music City Was A Below Average Experince

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April 14, 2019
purcelce
7 posts
Music City Was A Below Average Experince
What started out to be a decent tournament, turned into a not very pleasant experience. This is just my and a few of my teammates observation. We played over at Antioc Complex.

1 No ID or cards were checked
2. No team check in
3. Concession stand was out of several items by 11 am
4 A gate was closed prior to the last game ending.
5. Tournament was canceled at 6:30 am. With no attempt to get the fields ready.

The tournament could have been delayed a few hours to get the fields ready.
One of the spouses recently had surgery and couldn’t make the extra long walk to her car due to gate being locked.
We players spend a lot of money on SSUSA cards, tournament fees, taking vacation time, travel and lodging expenses. Either cut teams a break on the tournament fees or you will see teams migrating to more ISSA or SPA tournaments.

Just my opionions.

Cary P
April 14, 2019
TimMcElroy
418 posts
Cary P,

My name is Tim McElroy and I was the TD at Cane Ridge Park this weekend.

Your statement that no ID cards were checked is 100% incorrect. I went to each dugout personally and checked teams in- including your Good Wood team.

The concession stand was open ALL DAY for baseball and softball. They closed during the 6:30pm games and left roughly 20 hot dogs and 20 cheeseburgers the were unsold. They were FREE to anyone that wanted them. I made that statement to all 4 teams playing in the last round of the day. Your team declined saying that you were headed to a group dinner at Cheddars. Ring a bell?

This was my first time ever at Cane Ridge and was very happy with the service provided by the maintenance crew. Do you know how much rain fell on Friday night- and we still started on time? Do you know how much rain fell on Saturday night? Were you at the park to see standing water on all fields at 6am? No. I was, and so were 3 members of the maintenance staff.

Did you not notice every pond and stream in the area overflowing their banks?

With respect to the gates being locked, the concessions girl (a teenager) made a mistake and locked one during the last inning of the final game of the day. She did not have the key to correct her error. The solution was a simple 300 foot walk to the next gate which is hardly an inconvenience. As to the woman that had knee surgery- I told her at least 3 times that your team was free to drive into the park and pick her up so that she did not have to walk. If you'd like confirmation of this, ask your scorekeeper who was standing right there.
April 14, 2019
purcelce
7 posts
Thanks for answering. Again these were my observations and opinions.

To answer a few questions.

1 My ID was not checked. Maybe I was in the bathroom when you came through our dugout.

2. Conseedion was oh of several things at 11 am. Certain chips, candy bars, were out. Hamburgers and hit dogs were plentiful.

3. I’m not from Nashville, drove in Sat morning so I usually don’t notice these things.

4. As for the gate a problem was solve.

Instead of blasting me, and making me feel like I’m some stupid idiot. A “sorry about your experience, here’s an explation.

My post above was not ment to offend. Just pointing out some things.
April 14, 2019
k man
Men's 65
255 posts
purcelce, I'm sure Tim was not trying to blast you, just trying to answer the deficiencies you presented to him. It has been our experience that Tim does everything in his power to put on a good tournament especially when dealing with weather and field/complex issues.
April 14, 2019
COWBOYJIMMY
Men's 50
46 posts
My ID was not checked!! But this was first time that they wasn’t!! They just ask for my name!! Only one umpire per field and some didn’t know arch to save their life!!! But didn’t see many bad calls other than the arch!!
April 14, 2019
hitman
Men's 70
338 posts
I would like to add comments, all Id's were checked to the best that we could determine. There was no water in any of the dugouts or outside of them. Fields appeared playable Saturday morning at 8:00 but start was delayed until 11:00, losing 3 hours of playing time as directed by City. Fields were no better at 11:00 and game times cut to 40 minutes. Waited about 25 minutes in between games because no umpire was available, so very bad management of umpires. Umpires didn't know the rules and very inconsistent on calls along with lead feet that didn't move from behind home plate. Only one umpire for start of double elimination bracket plate. Can't control the weather, but very poorly organized and run. Time lost between games resulted in close to normal times of scheduled. Not a good impression for a 1st tournament.
April 14, 2019
Thumper21
2 posts
We where at the fields at 645am for a 800am pool play.The fields were locked and NO one had Stepped Foot since the night before. They were in almost playing conditions. Waited until 11 then started pool play? Why? Rain in the forecast the brakect did not get finished. I'm Sorry but it was poorly ran Tournament.
April 15, 2019
Garocket
Men's 55
254 posts
The tournament personal was not responsible for the games being delayed, it was the city ground crew that said everything was on hold until 11am. Not sure the tournament staff could have done anything different.
April 15, 2019
DaveDowell
Men's 65
2449 posts
They couldn't, even with the clarity afforded by 20-20 hindsight ...
April 15, 2019
Hammer19
8 posts
Music City was a below average tournament !! Sorry SSUSA. When you bring in 5 55 Major Teams to play a round robin ( 4 Games only ) and no bracket play, thoroughly disappointed. As the tournament director was approached to why we play only 4 games the response was that's Sacramento! They make the schedule ! It became clear that Sacramento thought process was that any division with 5 teams was only going to receive 4 games in a round robin format ( other than 50 Majors). SSUSA Sacramento was out to make a easy buck on the people who spend there hard earn money. SSUSA is out of touch ! And this was just a qualifying that meant nothing. Music City will not see me anymore ! Not going to travel 700 miles for 4 games !
April 15, 2019
coop3636
370 posts
I want to add my 2 cents
This tournament had its share of things that went wrong (and right), but with the weather the way it was, I think they did the best they could with the scheduling. 40 min time limit could have been 50 if the games kept rolling instead of the long breaks. Overall I give a thumbs up to tourney director on the job he did.
**I agree that there was WAY too much time between games
(approx. 15 minutes for ours to start waiting on an umpire.
** If it had been up to me, I would have played the games LATE into Saturday night, That way we would have at least played more than 2 games (forecast was for rain late sat and sun morning)
** I will agree that a 4 game RR tournament (ONLY) is not what we signed up for. I know you are only guaranteed 4 games, but just a RR is not the way to go.

Hopefully they will still have it next year and will have 2 full complexes rented out so they wont run out of fields.
We will be back and hopefully it will grow each year.

Either way, I am glad SSUSA is getting some tournaments in this part of the country.

Coop3636
April 15, 2019
TimMcElroy
418 posts
purcelce,

I was excited about this new tournament in Nashville (I still am) and wanted to play it out on the field. Mother Nature got the best of us this weekend and it was frustrating for all of us.

Whether I agree or disagree with your position, the fact of the matter is that you are a customer. My response to you was snippy and a bit too strong. I could have and should have worded it better. For that, I'd like to apologize.

Tim


April 15, 2019
TimMcElroy
418 posts
coop3636,

Some quick background on the 40 minute time limit deal. In the past, we've told teams that they'd get a 5 inning game. With no time limit and 5 innings guaranteed the pace of play was very slow- often leading to 70-75 minutes of real time.

A few years back we experimented with a modified 40 minute time limit (40 minutes, finish the inning, plus the open inning) in adverse weather situations. That combo usually results in games starting on the hour.

We give teams 40 minutes to complete 3 innings. If you can do that, you'll get the 4th inning plus the open inning. A little hustle on the teams' part will meet that goal.
April 15, 2019
coop3636
370 posts
Tim
We got 4 and then 5 innings plus the open in our games.
The 40 minute time limit was a good idea.
What I was saying, the 15 minute lapse BETWEEN games was the hold up. You could have played 50 min games in the same time.
It was more about the time BETWEEN games that was the hold up.
With no backup umps, it just took a LONG time for them to get back on the field. They did a good job once they got there.
Like I said earlier, I think it was handled it pretty good for the circumstances.
We will be back next year.
Coop3636
April 15, 2019
grayhitter59
Men's 55
210 posts
First i like to say i know Tim as a director for some time now, he is a straight shooter no nonsense man.

I am 100% sure he tried everything possible to get this tournament run on time.

Second i think you guys should be grateful you even got to play base on the weather coming in.

And last if you come on this board and want to blast someone, why don't you make sure your name is attached to your screen name.
April 15, 2019
coop3636
370 posts
Gray
If you talking about me, I am not blasting anyone
Just having a discussion.
And either way
I NEVER care if people know who I am.
I will never say anything on here I won't say to your face
Coop3636
Click on my name, all my info is there.
April 15, 2019
hitman
Men's 70
338 posts
What is the homerun rule for Pool/seeding games?
April 15, 2019
hitman
Men's 70
338 posts
And my name and info is shown if I am blasting someone!!!!
April 15, 2019
DaveDowell
Men's 65
2449 posts
hitman ... HR limit rules do not vary by the nature of the game (pool play vs. bracket play), but rather by team rating level(s) ... In pure divisions of everyone rated the same, the rules for Men's 50+ through 70+ and Women's 40+ and 50+ are as follows ...

Major+ = 9 per team per game, outs thereafter
Major = 6 per team per game, outs thereafter
AAA = 3 per team per game, outs thereafter
AA = 1 per team per game, outs thereafter

In mixed rating groupings, the HR rule is for the LOWER rated team in the game (Example: Major vs. AAA game = 3 HR)

In the Men's 40+ division the HR limits are 10, 8 and 6 (outs thereafter), respectively ... There is NO 40-AA Division
In the Men's 75+ and older and the Women's 55+ and older, HR's are Open (no limit)

Hope this helps ...

April 18, 2019
tg69
372 posts
I think it would have been above average had the rain not interfered, good number or teams for first year.Hope they have it there again.Might want to use Cane Ridge more next time. Can't do much about Mother Nature.
April 19, 2019
coop3636
370 posts
Tom
I didn't see you at the fields.
Who were you playing with?
I missed out on some good brownies..lol
coop3636
April 19, 2019
tg69
372 posts
Coop,we were at cane ridge. playing with Champaign Softball out of Illinois. I don't have to bribe them with brownies to get to play! LOL
April 23, 2019
STL0
Men's 50
157 posts
I would concur with Coop on one thing. If the 55M was going to be a round robin of only 4 games, teams should have been told that. We would likely have chosen to play in a different tournament had we known that. Same money but less games.
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